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OU lost this game last night 12-9. I know the scoreboard says otherwise but we all know the Houston punt returner never touched that so called fumbled punt. Every replay I have seen shows that.

This team was gifted the win and it is all on the inept offense. They were not sharp vs Temple as most scores came on very short fields thanks to the defense setting them up. Everyone on offense is to blame along with the coaching staff. Arnold doesnt get a pass, OL gets a flat F, and receivers no better than a D. As for Arnold a D is best.

It may come off as a rant but this team is honestly in some serious trouble if this continues no matter how good the D looks thus far. As someone said earlier or maybe somewhere else, the offense is John Blake bad.
 
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I agree. One thing. Seth didn’t call a good game; however, he has a pretty good resume of success for his time at Indiana and North Carolina as OC. So perhaps, while the OC always has to take responsibility for poor offensive performances, he may not have the players to succeed or may not be playing the right guys. I don’t know. But what transpired last night was a total breakdown offensively……coaching, quarterback play, line play and receivers. Really, we didn’t look sharp last week either. But one thing is for sure, if this continues it will ultimately have an effect on the defense as well. If that happens Brent Venables is to blame and should pay the price.
 
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OU for the most part has had a really good run of OC's. Mike Leach, Mark Mangino, Kevin Wilson, Lincoln Riley to name a few. Even Jeff Lebby, for all of his criticism by OU fans, had a top 10 offense nationally.

OU is currently 108th nationally in total offense, and keep in mind that's after playing Temple and Houston. This is uncharted territory for OU football.
 
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Arnold needs time, he didn't have as bad a game as some think, he's basically in his 2nd start. The offense is either way to complicated or they need to REALLY coach these guys and make for sure they know the play book. His pocket presence should improve, he is still wide eyed and he is seeing the field better. He's down 2 of his Top 3 receivers and this ever changing Oline, will not help a inexperienced QB. If he had a running game, things would be completely different.

Oline, I'm sick and tired of Bedibaugh, needing 4 or 5 games to get his starters. IDK if he promises some of the transfers playing time but damn, get the talent snaps TOGETHER! The counter, pull zone needs to be thrown out. Go watch EVERY other team counter and it never needs zone shit and it takes WAY to long to execute. Also, it needs the SAME 5 guys running it every day. Hypuel will run a counter and throw a weakside screen, the LB's and DE will need to stay disciplined. Riley figured that out the counter and USC has been great at executing.

Seth, he's made some very bad mistakes and if he taught Arnold to not go down taking a knee, well I've never heard of any coach teaching that, complete bonehead. Players do not know the playbook, or the signals are not read right. There were at least 8 semi broken plays, probably more.
He is on the Hot Seat. This is Big Time SEC football and these guys need to execute.

Special teams, we need a Beamer again, period.

Defense stayed pretty vanilla with a few miss cues, the PI calls need to be addressed, some were questionable

The team outside of the Oline, is talented. Arnold will play better if the can get the run game going, the scheme sucks and the Oline talent is not there. I like seeing the TE/HB run routes but with this Oline, I hate to type this we need BLOCKERS. OU best offenses have had TE/HB plays but the Oline needs help. The defense has not used the complete play book, we have ran a basic cover 2 most plays and outside of some bad hand offs, they look talented. I really can't wait to see these guys open up.

Motivation, if these guys cannot get motivated playing an average team in front of 80k rabid OU fans, bench their ass. They only get 5 or 6 games to play infront of home crowds.
 
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OU lost this game last night 12-9. I know the scoreboard says otherwise but we all know the Houston punt returner never touched that so called fumbled punt. Every replay I have seen shows that.

This team was gifted the win and it is all on the inept offense. They were not sharp vs Temple as most scores came on very short fields thanks to the defense setting them up. Everyone on offense is to blame along with the coaching staff. Arnold doesnt get a pass, OL gets a flat F, and receivers no better than a D. As for Arnold a D is best.

It may come off as a rant but this team is honestly in some serious trouble if this continues no matter how good the D looks thus far. As someone said earlier or maybe somewhere else, the offense is John Blake bad.
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The reality is there are some decisions that are fatal to the program. Joining a conference where you’re in over your head. Making a bad hire to run your offense. Not recruiting well where it matters most. Then letting Joe C continue to make bad hires for the athletic department are all fatal blows that will be impossible to come back from until the house is fully cleansed.
 
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The reality is there are some decisions that are fatal to the program. Joining a conference where you’re in over your head. Making a bad hire to run your offense. Not recruiting well where it matters most. Then letting Joe C continue to make bad hires for the athletic department are all fatal blows that will be impossible to come back from until the house is fully cleansed.
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This makes me curious. As far as hires go, I do believe Porter Moser is not exactly panning out and many have nicknamed him “ Portal” Mosely. I wonder though about the BV hire as I am not sure the verdict is out at on him as far as good or bad hire. What we do know is that currently this team is not good on offense.

Continuing with BV, I wonder who else JC actually looked at or interviewed. Did he offer someone else before BV or did he already have him hired once deuce bag got on that jet plane? I doubt we will ever know the answer to this
 
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We open as a two score favorite vs Tulane so I suppose if the Defense does their job and win 6-0 with two field goals that would qualify. (Not serious)

After two games hopefully the staff and team gets things figured out and we won’t see any more hot garbage. If Arnold can’t hear signals from the coach go back to big signs “A” or “B” vs Tulane and hit the TE or the transfer from Purdue in stride and get the run game established
 
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This makes me curious. As far as hires go, I do believe Porter Moser is not exactly panning out and many have nicknamed him “ Portal” Mosely. I wonder though about the BV hire as I am not sure the verdict is out at on him as far as good or bad hire. What we do know is that currently this team is not good on offense.

Continuing with BV, I wonder who else JC actually looked at or interviewed. Did he offer someone else before BV or did he already have him hired once deuce bag got on that jet plane? I doubt we will ever know the answer to this
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I watched this video a few days ago and Bob was asked by Joe C's son and his son Isaac about the BV hire.
Worth the watch.

 
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In that video above they are flat out ripping Bates. Well deserved.
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Yeah but they won't call out the bad Coaching that leads to games like that. (How many years have you witnessed that same crap) Players have to be taught at the same time Coaches have to recruit players that can be taught. This Coaching Staff is to blame for 95% of that shit show.
Hopefully they can sort it out otherwise we are still yrs away from getting there, another HC Coaching change and new staff in a couple of yrs and we are right back to where TBOW left it.
If that happens I hope to hell they go outside the Program and Bobs buddies once and for all and bring in some people that are not part of the past regimes, hasn't worked and never will yet they keep doing it. What other Program does this? Those days and the way the game is played today is totally different, get some new up and comers that understand todays game and players and stop effing around.
 
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Better get up to speed ASAP. The Sooners play the AP’s #2, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 16 ranked teams this season. That’s a mighty big hill to climb and based on the first two games it doesn’t look good for Brent and his staff.
 
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First, the o-line is so weak that I believe NO quarterback could perform well, especially one like Arnold who is still a “work-in-progress” even as the so-called “next great Oklahoma quarterback”.
Second, I have believed that this program would require three full years (2022-2024) to be SEC-ready in 2025.
That readiness could have happened this year but the unexpected lack of a big time offensive line talent will likely prevent any championship from happening…..even with the good skill position players on offense.
So we can blame Venables, Littrell, Bedenbaiugh, Arnold with some degree of justification as the offensive line struggles to produce at least a 4-5 loss season.
 
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I just listened to Seth Littrell's post-game press conference, and his responses to questions sounded a lot like the ones we used to hear from former defensive coordinator Ted Roof. "I'll have to look at the film." "We need to get better." , etc. The guy appears to be clueless.
 
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Yeah but they won't call out the bad Coaching that leads to games like that. (How many years have you witnessed that same crap) Players have to be taught at the same time Coaches have to recruit players that can be taught. This Coaching Staff is to blame for 95% of that shit show.
Hopefully they can sort it out otherwise we are still yrs away from getting there, another HC Coaching change and new staff in a couple of yrs and we are right back to where TBOW left it.
If that happens I hope to hell they go outside the Program and Bobs buddies once and for all and bring in some people that are not part of the past regimes, hasn't worked and never will yet they keep doing it. What other Program does this? Those days and the way the game is played today is totally different, get some new up and comers that understand todays game and players and stop effing around.
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67,

Who would you think be a good alternate option as HC? I agree that the coaching staff doesn’t seem to have it all together at this point but maybe we are all just overreacting after the first 2 games. If by some miracle OU is still unbeaten ( I dont see it myself) headed into Texas, are we still talking HC change no matter how ugly the wins are?

The players don’t get a free pass anymore than the coaches do and I think what Gabe and Teddy said are spot on in the offensive play criticism I want BV to be successful but if this team goes 4-8 or even just 6-6 I admit I will be right there with you on a coaching change.

OU offense ranked in the 100s is downright embarrassing considering the opponents and like someone said maybe its not all on the OC but just maybe its on the players.
 
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Relaxing isn’t easy but consider this, Iowa won 10 games last year with zero offense. They play field position and “punting is winning” is their motto. Granted that isn’t in OU’s DNA and we don’t play in the weakest division in cfb. We just have to see a change to the good this week and pray for a clean September and move on. Joe C needs to be getting busy
 
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Had a good talk with a insider. Bedinbaugh knows he needs depth to compete in the SEC and I get trying to find back ups but he could not explain, the previous years, where he played 3rd string guys and then magically come the 3rd -5th game lock in his starters. This is a recent development since the portal opened up.

He also concluded that these guys are not as talented at the top but he did think there are some good young guys that need time and practice. Most people do not understand the just what it takes to play Oline. Lets say you have been playing alongside a guy that always leads with his right foot and shoulder but the new guy, is a lefty lead foot and shoulder. That throws off the rhythm and can lead to trip ups, delays and coverage breakdowns. He's been use to a right push and know he's dealing with a left push, one small difference can make or break the play.
 
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OU lost this game last night 12-9. I know the scoreboard says otherwise but we all know the Houston punt returner never touched that so called fumbled punt. Every replay I have seen shows that.

This team was gifted the win and it is all on the inept offense. They were not sharp vs Temple as most scores came on very short fields thanks to the defense setting them up. Everyone on offense is to blame along with the coaching staff. Arnold doesnt get a pass, OL gets a flat F, and receivers no better than a D. As for Arnold a D is best.

It may come off as a rant but this team is honestly in some serious trouble if this continues no matter how good the D looks thus far. As someone said earlier or maybe somewhere else, the offense is John Blake bad.
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Yeah the football Gods are going to exact a toll for giving us a win on that one. I was shocked it was upheld as the guy never touched it.
 
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No clue but what does that have to do with having an opinion? So do you believe you have to have a degree from OU to be critical of the school you root for?
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No clue but what does that have to do with having an opinion? So do you believe you have to have a degree from OU to be critical of the school you root for?
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Soonerborn59 said:
No clue but what does that have to do with having an opinion? So do you believe you have to have a degree from OU to be critical of the school you root for?
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McCoy’s message does not reflect him being a literate, college educated person.
 
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Had a good talk with a insider. Bedinbaugh knows he needs depth to compete in the SEC and I get trying to find back ups but he could not explain, the previous years, where he played 3rd string guys and then magically come the 3rd -5th game lock in his starters. This is a recent development since the portal opened up.

He also concluded that these guys are not as talented at the top but he did think there are some good young guys that need time and practice. Most people do not understand the just what it takes to play Oline. Lets say you have been playing alongside a guy that always leads with his right foot and shoulder but the new guy, is a lefty lead foot and shoulder. That throws off the rhythm and can lead to trip ups, delays and coverage breakdowns. He's been use to a right push and know he's dealing with a left push, one small difference can make or break the play.
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What do they do in practice for the month+ leading up to games?
 
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McCoy’s message does not reflect him being a literate, college educated person.
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You do know that's on Twitter, right? And that his intended audience is the former team that he actually played football for, right? I don't think he needs a fan boy's permission to talk how he wants, if I'm being honest.
 
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You do know that's on Twitter, right? And that his intended audience is the former team that he actually played football for, right? I don't think he needs a fan boy's permission to talk how he wants, if I'm being honest.
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He was a badass mother at southeast!
 
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67,

Who would you think be a good alternate option as HC? I agree that the coaching staff doesn’t seem to have it all together at this point but maybe we are all just overreacting after the first 2 games. If by some miracle OU is still unbeaten ( I dont see it myself) headed into Texas, are we still talking HC change no matter how ugly the wins are?

The players don’t get a free pass anymore than the coaches do and I think what Gabe and Teddy said are spot on in the offensive play criticism I want BV to be successful but if this team goes 4-8 or even just 6-6 I admit I will be right there with you on a coaching change.

OU offense ranked in the 100s is downright embarrassing considering the opponents and like someone said maybe its not all on the OC but just maybe its on the players.
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Yeah 59 I am probably overreacting a bit, just thinking out loud for the most part,its 2 games in and they can still turn it around but are running short on time. I fear the offense isn't something that can be fixed until the off season but we shall see.
I like BV and hope he is the next great coach at OU but he leaves me wondering if he is just still getting used to it or in over his head. Time qill tell.
I had to take a step back today and just realize its only a game, the season is young and I had been looking forward to Football Season for months so I am just gonna let what happens happen and enjoy foitball while it is here finally and not let anything ruin it for me, its too short and I wanna enjoy it, watch a lot of games and just see how it goes for OU. I don't think anyone was expecting great things this season anyway so maybe we will do better than we think after that bad game. Can't see it getting worse, I hope.
 
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This season will be painful folks. No 2 ways about it. We are going to have our clocks cleaned several times.
 
I’ve already accepted the fact that whenever we win, regardless how ugly, I’m going to embrace it and be thankful. But I’m very disappointed because I expected a much more prepared team this season than what I’ve witnessed thus far. The injury bug hasn’t helped but still.
 
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What do they do in practice for the month+ leading up to games?
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I don't know, I'm sure it's like any practice and they run to 1 and 2, with some mix ins
Also, I forgot we are on our 3rd string center, injuries will make or break a team
 
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