Teddy Roosevelt statue to be removed from NYC's Museum....

[CTOkie]

of Natural History.
It is said to "symbolize a painful legacy of colonial expansion and racial discrimination".
The avalanche continues.

 

[JConXtsy]

Whoa

 

[OUnabomber]

Makes you wonder about previous civilizations and how there may be lots of things we don't know about them due to these types of events.

 

[sooners49]

Maybe they should knock down the pyramids since they were built with slaves.

 

[iasooner1]

“Don’t it always seem to go,
You don’t know what you got til it’s gone”

 

[sooners49]

Maybe we should all go back to our ancestral homes and give the country back to its rightful owners.

 

[CalSooner]

These people are fools.

I keep thinking that this will reach a point of absurdity that people will say "enough".

 

[EagleZipperHero]

These people are fools.

I keep thinking that this will reach a point of absurdity that people will say "enough".

The eventual reaction from the moderate left will be interesting

An issue is Trump is so unlikable for many that it may not factor in this election

 

[pssooner]

of Natural History.
It is said to "symbolize a painful legacy of colonial expansion and racial discrimination".
The avalanche continues.

so have you seen that some columnist is calling for the Rangers to change their name because.......you got it! The law enforcement angle!!!!!!!!!!

 

[veritas59]

Why aren't they tearing down Mosques, since Islam was in the slave business long before America was discovered, and continued to practice it long after it was abolished here? And I guess misogyny is bad only if it pertains to the white folk.

F%*king hypocrites.

 

[CTOkie]

Why aren't they tearing down Mosques, since Islam was in the slave business long before America was discovered, and continued to practice it long after it was abolished here? And I guess misogyny is bad only if it pertains to the white folk.

F%*king hypocrites.

Here's one that I can't figure out.....a statue of Ulysses S. Grant was toppled in San Francisco.
It would help if these history wrecking fools had even a small sense of history.

 

[CTOkie]

Th 157th anniversary of the Battle of Gettysburg coming in 9 days, July 1-3.
Potential issues looming in that town.

 

[newnasty]

My great Granfather is buried in the Texas State Cemetary in 'Confederate Hill'. I have a feeling that when they get smart enough to figure out there is a section in the state cemetary dedicated to confederate soldiers the head stones will be removed and/or destroyed. It's just a matter of time.

 

[WP76]

Very reminiscent of what we saw in the Soviet Union and Germany in the last century with the purges of political opposition, burning of books, etc.

Noted Spanish philosopherJorges Santayana once said something famous about learning from history. These morons are too historically illiterate to even know what it is, let alone learn from it.

What's the over/under on the destruction/taking down of Mount Rushmore? You know it's just a matter of time. The good news on Rushmore is that destroying it would take a great deal of work and planning--things of which I doubt these people are capable.

 

[CTOkie]

Very reminiscent of what we saw in the Soviet Union and Germany in the last century with the purges of political opposition, burning of books, etc.

Noted Spanish philosopherJorges Santayana once said something famous about learning from history. These morons are too historically illiterate to even know what it is, let alone learn from it.

What's the over/under on the destruction/taking down of Mount Rushmore? You know it's just a matter of time. The good news on Rushmore is that destroying it would take a great deal of work and planning--things of which I doubt these people are capable.

Okay......now you're really scaring me, WP.

 

[WP76]

Okay......now you're really scaring me, WP.

Sorry but the handwriting is already on the wall, I'm afraid.

 

[EagleZipperHero]

Very reminiscent of what we saw in the Soviet Union and Germany in the last century with the purges of political opposition, burning of books, etc.

Noted Spanish philosopherJorges Santayana once said something famous about learning from history. These morons are too historically illiterate to even know what it is, let alone learn from it.

What's the over/under on the destruction/taking down of Mount Rushmore? You know it's just a matter of time. The good news on Rushmore is that destroying it would take a great deal of work and planning--things of which I doubt these people are capable.

1917 Russian Revolution

Same thing

 

[JConXtsy]

Well, it's official. "Idiocracy" is coming to full fruition. It won't be long before we're all sitting on our toilet-recliners watching "Oww, My Balls!"

 

[veritas59]

Well, it's official. "Idiocracy" is coming to full fruition. It won't be long before we're all sitting on our toilet-recliners watching "Oww, My Balls!"

Camacho for Prez!

 

[JConXtsy]

Camacho for Prez!

Would you like some big-ass fries with your torching of that historical statue?

 

[owenfieldreams]

Isn't this the way all such well intentioned protes to turn out? Once a fringe element takes hold, regardless of which side it's on or when the snowball gathers speed and size, completely idiotic things begin to happen. History is a blueprint for future generations to learn from, not an outdated concept that should be ignored.

 

[HERVSTA]

of Natural History.
It is said to "symbolize a painful legacy of colonial expansion and racial discrimination".
The avalanche continues.

 

[HERVSTA]

of Natural History.
It is said to "symbolize a painful legacy of colonial expansion and racial discrimination".
The avalanche continues.

BYE BYE!!

 

[Medic007]

BYE BYE!!

Meanwhile in Chicago this past weekend...

Final Stupidity Tally: 14 killed, 97 wounded
2019 weekend tally: 6 killed, 17 wounded
2018 weekend tally: 4 killed, 37 wounded
2017 weekend tally: 7 killed, 40 wounded
2016 weekend tally: 8 killed, 50 wounded
2015 weekend tally: 5 killed, 24 wounded
2014 weekend tally: 2 killed, 42 wounded

Friday 6/19
1:10p 200 E 89th, Chatham, M/?
2:10p 9200 S Dobson, Burnside, M/32
2:10p 9200 S Dobson, Burnside, M/46
2:10p 9200 S Dobson, Burnside, F/49
3:20p 8500 S Muskegon, South Chicago, M/41
3:30p 1000 N Springfield, Humboldt Park, M/14
4:30p 7608 S Colfax, South Shore, M/30
6:30p 7400 S Phillips, South Shore, F/35
9:20p 1300 N California, West Town, M/47
9:50p 4800 W Gladys, Austin, M/34
9:50p 4800 W Gladys, Austin, M/34
9:50p 4800 W Gladys, Austin, M/43
10:25p 4100 W Congress, Garfield Park, M/32
10:55p 5400 S Loomis, New City, M/28
11:00p 3400 W 23rd, Little Village, M/22
11:00p 3400 W 23rd, Little Village, M/41
11:15p 7600 S Coles, South Shore, M/20
11:45p 1000 N Waller, Austin, M/30
11:45p 1000 N Waller, Austin, F/42
Saturday 6/20
12:45a 700 S Loomis, Near West Side, M/17
12:50a 1000 N Lawndale, Humboldt Park, F/64
2:00a 1600 S Troy, North Lawndale, F/49
2:05a 7400 S Wentworth, Grand Crossing, M/28
2:25a 2700 N Pine Grove, Lincoln Park, M/24
2:40a 11700 S Union, West Pullman, M/27
2:40a 11700 S Union, West Pullman, M/48
2:55a 2200 S Lawndale, Little Village, M/22
3:00a 7300 S Paulina, Englewood, M/25
3:20a 1000 W 58th, Englewood, M/26
3:35a 1200 S Fairfield, North Lawndale, M/43
4:10a 11300 S Michigan, Roseland, M/24
4:50a 1600 N Avers, Humboldt Park, M/18
6:10a 8700 S Halsted, Auburn Gresham, M/28
6:15a 2800 S St Louis, Little Village, M/29
3:45p 12400 S Michigan, West Pullman, M/20
4:15p 100 W 95th, Roseland, M/21
4:45p 3500 S California, Brighton Park, M/32
5:15p 7900 S Luella, South Chicago, M/16
5:15p 7900 S Luella, South Chicago, M/17
6:25p 600 N Central, Austin, M/3
6:25p 600 N Central, Austin, M/27
7:00p 1900 N Western, Logan Square, M/23
7:00p 1900 N Western, Logan Square, M/24
7:50p 200 N Central, Austin, M/27
7:50p 200 N Central, Austin, M/32
8:00p 3600 S Francisco, Brighton Park, M/32
8:35p 1000 N LeClaire, Austin, F/13
8:35p 1000 N LeClaire, Austin, M/15
8:35p 1000 N LeClaire, Austin, M/16
8:35p 2700 W Division, West Town, F/37
8:40p 11200 S Hermosa, Morgan Park, M/26
9:30p 2500 W Augusta, West Town, M/45
11:00p 4500 S Whipple, Brighton Park, M/23
11:50p 2300 N Lake Shore, Lincoln Park, M/21
Sunday 6/21
12:05a 2600 W Potomac, West Town, M/41
12:05a 2600 W Potomac, West Town, M/21
12:05a 2600 W Potomac, West Town, M/23
12:05a 2600 W Potomac, West Town, M/34
12:35a 3700 W Hirsh, Humboldt Park, M/17
12:55a 3200 W Division, Humboldt Park, M/32
2:10a 600 E 44th, Grand Boulevard, M/39
3:15a 12700 S Lowe, West Pullman, F/28
3:35a 800 W 72nd, Englewood, M/39
3:40a 5500 N Harlem, Norwood Park, M/21
3:40a 5500 N Harlem, Norwood Park, M/28
4:15a 200 N Kolin, Garfield Park, F/25
5:20a 11500 S Church, Morgan Park, M/19
2:10p 2600 S Ridgeway, Little Village, M/26
3:20p 5000 W Adams, Austin, M/56
5:35p 5500 S Fairfield, Gage Park, M/40
6:00p 7100 S State, Grand Crossing, M/20
7:20p 6200 N Troy, West Ridge, M/?
7:30p 800 N Springfield, Humboldt Park, M/22
7:30p 800 N Springfield, Humboldt Park, M/24
9:50p 600 E 90th, Chatham, F/12
9:50p 600 E 90th, Chatham, M/21
9:55p 6000 S Champlain, Woodlawn, F/21
9:55p 6000 S Champlain, Woodlawn, M/25
9:55p 6000 S Champlain, Woodlawn, M/36
10:50p 7300 S Laflin, Englewood, M/45
11:35p 6600 S Cottage Grove, Woodlawn, M/19
No Accountability Monday
12:00a 800 N Cambridge, Near North Side, M/29
12:20a 4700 W Superior, Austin, M/15
12:20a 4700 W Superior, Austin, M/16
12:20a 11800 S Emerald, West Pullman, M/23
12:20a 11800 S Emerald, West Pullman, M/25
12:35a 5100 S Calumet, Washington Park, F/18
12:35a 4700 W Erie, Austin, M/34
12:35a 4700 W Erie, Austin, M/36
12:50a 5200 S Lowe, New City, M/21
12:50a 5200 S Lowe, New City, F/21
12:50a 5200 S Lowe, New City, M/27
12:50a 5200 S Lowe, New City, M/30
12:55a 1500 S Sawyer, North Lawndale, M/61
12:55a 1300 S Central Park, North Lawndale, M/25
2:00a 5600 W Roosevelt, Austin, M/27
2:05a 7000 S Bishop, Englewood, M/24
2:05a 7000 S Bishop, Englewood, M/26
2:05a 7000 S Bishop, Englewood, M/30
2:30a 900 N Karlov, Humboldt Park, M/24
2:45a 200 S Central Park, Garfield Park, F/16
2:45a 200 S Central Park, Garfield Park, F/24
2:45a 200 S Central Park, Garfield Park, M/30
2:45a 200 S Central Park, Garfield Park, M/31
2:45a 200 S Central Park, Garfield Park, M/32
3:15a Walk-in @ Stitch-N-Go, M/30
3:50a 5400 W Gladys, Austin, M/23
3:50a 5400 W Gladys, Austin, M/24
4:20a 100 S Washtenaw, Garfield Park, M/30
4:25a 3800 W Harrison, Garfield Park, M/41
4:45a 5900 S State, Washington Park, M/27

Key:
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Weekend = 12p Friday – 6a Monday

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But those statues though...

 

[OUSOONER67]

BYE BYE!!

Hervy is too busy worried about Syrup, Rice, Monuments, Flags and Statues to worry about lives Medic.

 

[Scottsdale.Sooner]

WP76

"Very reminiscent of what we saw in the Soviet Union and Germany in the last century with the purges of political opposition, burning of books, etc."

My wife and I have had lengthy discussions on this subject. She grew up in the Soviet Union. The liberal left bolsheviks are at the gates. My in-laws are both university professors in far-east Russia and they've made to same observations.

 

[CTOkie]

" Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes" (Mahatma Gandhi). This tells me what America should realize today about U.S. history.
Our nation's history has been tainted with slavery, genocide, political scandals, and phony wars throughout its 244 years, but more people in the world have gained freedom because of its existence than any other country.
Statues and monuments may represent men who accepted slavery or Indian genocide, but I think learning from both their failures....and successes....is what we need to focus on....and rid ourselves of the historical illiteracy that is causing political oppression through censorship.
I do not see either political party restoring unity or having the resolve to work together to serve the people of this country. Our future is at a tipping point.

 

[newnasty]

IMO, we're past the tipping point. We are witnessing the beginning of a Cultural Revolution and we're losing. Nobody is doing anything to stop it. County, City, State, & Federal.... Zip. Nada. Nothing. This is no longer protesting. Neither party is being spared. The Democratic Party is now being attacked. No time in our lives have the masses overwhlemed the police. No time has the masses demand defunded the police. No time has the politicians agreed to do so.

 

[WP76]

" Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes" (Mahatma Gandhi). This tells me what America should realize today about U.S. history.
Our nation's history has been tainted with slavery, genocide, political scandals, and phony wars throughout its 244 years, but more people in the world have gained freedom because of its existence than any other country.
Statues and monuments may represent men who accepted slavery or Indian genocide, but I think learning from both their failures....and successes....is what we need to focus on....and rid ourselves of the historical illiteracy that is causing political oppression through censorship.
I do not see either political party restoring unity or having the resolve to work together to serve the people of this country. Our future is at a tipping point.

Nicely stated, CT

 

[Schoonerman]

I say that instead of tearing the statues down, move them to private museums. That way, if people want to see the statues that honor the treasonous men who took up arms to divide our country, let them do it on their own dime.

 

[newnasty]

Perhaps I wrong but I think the memorials were erected throughout the all of the US because the nation was still healing from the war and this was an effort to 'heal' wounds. Many of the statues are of leaders of the Confederate Army and they were trained at West Point. Most if not all were also granted a pardon as a sign of moving forward and healing.

Fast forward to today. Suddenly the purpose of the memorials has shifted. Suddenly the narrative is now that these are examples of racism. I can't speak for no one but myself but I don't think this is about racism. It's about fascism and the removal all history of the US. From Military, Political, and Religous monuments are being destroyed. And they are being removed in the name of racism. I'm not buying it.

 

[newnasty]

I say that instead of tearing the statues down, move them to private museums. That way, if people want to see the statues that honor the treasonous men who took up arms to divide our country, let them do it on their own dime.

My family took up arms for the Confederate Army. They never owned a slave. In fact they were share croppers. They were not fighting for slavery. They were Democrats and were fighting for their freedoms from agressive Northern states from removing their State's rights. Fact. Thousands of men fought & died for this cause. Do you think that these thousands upon thouasands that fought actually owned slaves? Not even close. After the end of the war, my family moved to Texas to start a new life. Eventually, when Oklahoma began issuing land via the Land Runs, members of that same family moved to Oklahoma. My point is, we all are Americans. Even after the civil war.

There are groups today that are taking up arms and dividing our country such as Antifa and BLM. Do you also consider them as treasonous?

 

[CTOkie]

My family took up arms for the Confederate Army. They never owned a slave. In fact they were share croppers. They were not fighting for slavery. They were Democrats and were fighting for their freedoms from aggressive Northern states from removing their State's rights. Fact. Thousands of men fought & died for this cause. Do you think that these thousands upon thousands that fought actually owned slaves? Not even close. After the end of the war, my family moved to Texas to start a new life. Eventually, when Oklahoma began issuing land via the Land Runs, members of that same family moved to Oklahoma. My point is, we all are Americans. Even after the civil war.

There are groups today that are taking up arms and dividing our country such as Antifa and BLM. Do you also consider them as treasonous?

Historians claim that 94% of Confederate soldiers were NOT slave owners. They were farmers, mechanics, ship builders, carpenters, clerks, blacksmiths, students, etc.
The high tariffs imposed by the government on the South's cotton trade was also a big issue as well as the South's opposition to a central government with too much control (sound familiar ?). And slavery was more about free labor (economics) than it was racism in my opinion. That said, slavery was (and is) an evil institution that had to be stopped and never should have been part of our history, just like the genocide of the Indians.
I cannot compare the Confederacy to Nazi Germany. I know history well enough not to make such a comparison. The Nazis purposely slaughtered 11 million people (6 million of the 9 million Jews in Europe) and with as much cruelty and suffering as possible....by design. The South needed its slaves for free labor and while there were horrible abuses rendered, it cannot be compared to the Holocaust, which I believe was the greatest evil to have existed in world history.

 

[soonerinlOUisiana]

I say that instead of tearing the statues down, move them to private museums. That way, if people want to see the statues that honor the treasonous men who took up arms to divide our country, let them do it on their own dime.

This is the typical post intended to inflame and reflects a sad ignorance of US history. The secessionists were not treasonous. The United States were not the singular nation then that we have today. They were more like the European Union. In fact, the northerners did not even refer to "America" so much as they referred to "the Union." Check out a PBS documentary from about 20 years ago on the civil war. This was one of the major points that the film makers tried to drive home. Pre civil war, common usage was "the United States are......" It was only after the Civil War that it became "the United States is....." Also take a look at the various military units that participated in the war. They invariably have a state's name in their official titles. The southerners were not fighting for the CSA. They were fighting for Louisiana, Texas, Virginia, Alabama, etc.

 

[sooners49]

People should read the tenets of the BLM group. They openly admit they are Marxist and proud of it. Here is an example. “We are Trained Marxists,” says BLM Co-Founder Patrisse Cullors Anyone associated with the history and rise of Mao Zedong can see the similarities between the two movements:

Mao was a Marxists
Mao was an atheist
Mao used minority abuses to fuel his cause
Mao appealed to the youth
Mao inspired student and union protests
Mao used violence and fear to accomplish his goals
Mao destroyed statues and history books in an effort to erase history
Mao desired to destroy the government system to replace it with a Marxist structure.
Sound familiar? I compare BLM to ANTIFA and believe it to be a destructive influence on all people’s.
Allen West has a video on his opinion on the matter and says as much.

I am tired of being told if you don’t agree with them you’re a racist. Talk about fascism!
I guarantee half the people protesting have no clue what the BLMs beliefs really are?
It seems to me anarchy is their goal and to destroy everything they touch.
Defund the police are you serious?? They think crime is bad now just wait till they take officers off the streets who will fill the vacuum? It will be filled with people who will not care one bit about fair and justice.
The strong will take the weak.
Yes there are some issues with some officers using deadly tactics unnecessarily but it is not near as rampant as they would have you to believe.
If you look at the statistics it does not bear it out.
This country is headed down a very divisive and dangerous road and I’m not sure it will be one that has a good outcome.

 

[WP76]

I say that instead of tearing the statues down, move them to private museums. That way, if people want to see the statues that honor the treasonous men who took up arms to divide our country, let them do it on their own dime.

"With malice toward none; with charity for all; with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in; to bind up the nation’s wounds; to care for him who shall have borne the battle, and for his widow, and his orphan—to do all which may achieve and cherish a just, and a lasting peace, among ourselves, and with all nations."

Abraham Lincoln spoke those words in his second inaugural address. To me and in the larger sense, those statues were erected under the auspices of binding up the nation's wounds.

I believe the decision as to whether or not statues remain in place should be left up to local governments/voters. I understand the point of view that says we shouldn't honor traitors to the union. However, I also believe that, if they are to be taken down, it should be by consensus of those communities affected and legal redress rather than simply placating mob rule.

Many of those who would summarily tear down Confederate statues are also those who have desecrated monuments to George Washington, Ulysses S. Grant, and the 54th Massachusetts Infantry Regiment. IMO the overwhelmingly good works of those noble men absolve them from the small-minded scrutiny of today's anarchists. God help us if we're only allowed to venerate those whose actions pass retroactive moral litmus tests. Doing so destroys that for which so many have sacrificed and died.

 

[iasooner1]

Hitler set a standard that was FAR exceeded by Mao, Stalin and other Marxists that are rarely mentioned

 

[CTOkie]

This is the typical post intended to inflame and reflects a sad ignorance of US history. The secessionists were not treasonous. The United States were not the singular nation then that we have today. They were more like the European Union. In fact, the northerners did not even refer to "America" so much as they referred to "the Union." Check out a PBS documentary from about 20 years ago on the civil war. This was one of the major points that the film makers tried to drive home. Pre civil war, common usage was "the United States are......" It was only after the Civil War that it became "the United States is....." Also take a look at the various military units that participated in the war. They invariably have a state's name in their official titles. The southerners were not fighting for the CSA. They were fighting for Louisiana, Texas, Virginia, Alabama, etc.

Great read, SIL.

 

[CTOkie]

"With malice toward none; with charity for all; with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in; to bind up the nation’s wounds; to care for him who shall have borne the battle, and for his widow, and his orphan—to do all which may achieve and cherish a just, and a lasting peace, among ourselves, and with all nations."

Abraham Lincoln spoke those words in his second inaugural address. To me and in the larger sense, those statues were erected under the auspices of binding up the nation's wounds.

I believe the decision as to whether or not statues remain in place should be left up to local governments/voters. I understand the point of view that says we shouldn't honor traitors to the union. However, I also believe that, if they are to be taken down, it should be by consensus of those communities affected and legal redress rather than simply placating mob rule.

Many of those who would summarily tear down Confederate statues are also those who have desecrated monuments to George Washington, Ulysses S. Grant, and the 54th Massachusetts Infantry Regiment. IMO the overwhelmingly good works of those noble men absolve them from the small-minded scrutiny of today's anarchists. God help us if we're only allowed to venerate those whose actions pass retroactive moral litmus tests. Doing so destroys that for which so many have sacrificed and died.

And tearing them down are under the auspices of OPENING the nation's wounds.
Mob rule is what the Dems want and that's why they also want the Electoral College eliminated.
WP, your post and SIL's post are very well stated.

 

[iasooner1]

It’s heartening to hear that any of the morons take the occasional literal header & get to visit the folks in the ER