Why would you lock a thread when a perfectly good debate about a terrible situation is going on? No rules were broke.
Sooner Mike
- Thread starter Drewcristo78
- Start date
- Status
Soonersincefitty
Sooner starter
Well 78, it was a preemptive move I'm a thinking.
He was wanting to end the debate before the booze started flowing and the real blood letting started in earnest...
I get that...
He was wanting to end the debate before the booze started flowing and the real blood letting started in earnest...
I get that...
Okay, I admit it. I locked this one and two other ones like it on Orange Bloods...............
I think this is an issue that should be discussed on our board. I know we don't agree on certain issues, but if there was ever a time for an open discussion it would be now.
It was locked at the same time I hit send post. I said the thread life was running out. MY be if folks stay on topic and not cast stones it wouldn't have been locked.
I've been to several free boards today. Most of the Sooner boards haven't played it up as this board. Scout not included. I went to Texas Rivals and two threads out of three were locked. The Tulsa board mentioned it without much comment. The free OSU, nothing. The rival West Virginia board, nothing.
Yahoo main page had it as a lead story this morning with few reader comments.
I just wondered Drew, what is the OU members board saying without giving inside information?
How could three with oil topics or one with discussions about legal issues be allowed to run 4 pages long? Yet when it comes to a thread when outsiders will most certainly read and comment, be locked down. I think this is a great opportunity for our members to state how they feel and think about this situation. Plaino has said recruits read our board. Let's show them how Oklahoman's feel about the situation. Not to mention the obvious fellow Americans who are reading how we deal with this bigotry. Let a dialogue be established and run with it. This is a hot button issue.
Dang, I forgot. I hate getting caught...........Originally posted by Sooners83:
Impostor as there are no GIF'sOriginally posted by K2C Sooner:
Okay, I admit it. I locked this one and two other ones like it on Orange Bloods...............
Soonersincefitty
Sooner starter
Good lord 83, that's the only thing you found offensively objectionable?
Wow!
Wow!
Medic007
Sooner starter
I locked it. Satisfied with the answer? Why was it locked? Because of responses like this one, by you I might add...
"You are an absolute fool. Thank you for coming back and reminding me of that."
Worthy of a ban according to the rules, but yet you posted an entirely new thread, so you obviously didn't get banned.
Sorry, but the cesspool crap doesn't fly on here. And it won't. I saw enough of people insinuating that 22 was racist to last me through the year. He is somebody I know personally and he isn't racist. Far from it. A few axe grinders don't change that.
I would rather lock a thread when it reaches the point of no return than ban it's participants for breaking the rules. Mike agrees. Do you?
Mike & Medic,
I admit that I took exception of 22's use of a different situation or his Boren analogy at a very poor time. There was a tremendous amount of pain going on with the campus, the city, and I believe the state as well. Myself included. No one wants to be associated with this type of situation. The players, the students and faculty was shaken to the core this morning. I believe the OP was attempting to take advantage of a bad situation to express his imput on other issues regarding his view on morality. I agree with him that OU's Boren should answer to the 'jump around' thing. But it's not what is important this morning, today & tonight. There is some serious healing that needs to be done and I would have re-acted differently if I saw some of that from 22. But I didn't. I've re-read his OP three times and there is nothing there. I've posted my displeasure over some of Boren's decisions, but today, Boren got busy and did some good things that absolutely must have been done.
The discussion of what happened today should not be locked down. Unfortunately, the discussion ended up staying on that thread instead of standing on it's own.
BTW, as I type this, the 10 o'clock sport news just showed Bob Stoops, his team standing in solidarity. He got kudos for this by the sportscaster.
Peace Out.
I admit that I took exception of 22's use of a different situation or his Boren analogy at a very poor time. There was a tremendous amount of pain going on with the campus, the city, and I believe the state as well. Myself included. No one wants to be associated with this type of situation. The players, the students and faculty was shaken to the core this morning. I believe the OP was attempting to take advantage of a bad situation to express his imput on other issues regarding his view on morality. I agree with him that OU's Boren should answer to the 'jump around' thing. But it's not what is important this morning, today & tonight. There is some serious healing that needs to be done and I would have re-acted differently if I saw some of that from 22. But I didn't. I've re-read his OP three times and there is nothing there. I've posted my displeasure over some of Boren's decisions, but today, Boren got busy and did some good things that absolutely must have been done.
The discussion of what happened today should not be locked down. Unfortunately, the discussion ended up staying on that thread instead of standing on it's own.
BTW, as I type this, the 10 o'clock sport news just showed Bob Stoops, his team standing in solidarity. He got kudos for this by the sportscaster.
Peace Out.
No, I don't . When you let your job as a a Mod influence how the opinions of paying members and non paying members I have a problem. You guys pick and choose how certain issues are handled by the measure of being friends. Let people state their first amendment right and reap what they sow. This issue like it or not is an issue that effects this board and participants of it. I'm sorry Ive never tailgated with you or shared emails with you. No rules were broken, if you can't see what 22 certainly tried to do then God Bless You! Why would you lock a thread in which he knew how much whiplash would come of it? Let's get real, he hasn't posted in months and then he he represents fans of OU with that obtuse post. If he is man enough to post such idioacracy let us have a chance to debate it. That simple.
I thought it was an excellent thread. It clearly offered some good points and even by visitors that did not know other posts. It was an interesting dynamic in that the visitor(s) could easily read the tealeaves of others with only minimum post participation.
Medic007
Sooner starter
Uh, you broke the rules in your very first post in the thread. You can debate until your heart fails but,
You are an absolute fool. Thank you for coming back and reminding me of that.
This is in violation of this board's posted rules. Nobody pays to be a member here. It's a free board. If you want more latitude than you are given here, post on the pay board. I'm not influenced by any member or their posts. Last time I checked, insinuating that a poster here is racist is worthy of a ban. But that didn't happen. First amendment doesn't apply to a privately run business by the way.
You had your chance to debate it. You chose to do so by violating the rules of this forum. Consider yourself lucky you can still post here despite violating the rules of this forum. I've had my desensitizing glasses on today. I suggest you join me.
Gents, it was 2 o'clock in the morning when I started writing that thread. The news release had just come over the wire (as far as I know) and was just a small blurt about Boren closing the frat house over something that some drunk frat boys said that was offensive. My thread was about the subjectivity of free speech and nothing more. The problem is, every one of you had the benefit of "hindsight is 20/20" in the hours that followed as the media foamed at the mouth for this story and blew it out of proportion.
1 It was a small media blurt when I posted.
2. It was the end of the world by the time you posted your thoughts.
3. Yes, in hindsight, my post was poor timing. But only in hindsight. And I apologize to you, SoonerScoop and it's excellent moderators.
4. I'm not a racists. Heck, 90% of my text messages, email and FB messages aren't even in English.
The assumptions made about me, my secret agenda and the hidden motive of my OP are nothing but shadow boxing. For those of you wanting to further your grudge match with me, give it a rest. I'm not playing along. You have no idea why I've been gone since October 15, nor will you ever know.
This post was edited on 3/10 4:54 AM by Section22Sooner
1 It was a small media blurt when I posted.
2. It was the end of the world by the time you posted your thoughts.
3. Yes, in hindsight, my post was poor timing. But only in hindsight. And I apologize to you, SoonerScoop and it's excellent moderators.
4. I'm not a racists. Heck, 90% of my text messages, email and FB messages aren't even in English.
The assumptions made about me, my secret agenda and the hidden motive of my OP are nothing but shadow boxing. For those of you wanting to further your grudge match with me, give it a rest. I'm not playing along. You have no idea why I've been gone since October 15, nor will you ever know.
This post was edited on 3/10 4:54 AM by Section22Sooner
Medic007
Sooner starter
Medic007
Sooner starter
WNAS, let me ask you a question? What would be better for the board, locking a thread down or ban Sooner fans in the thread for attacking other Sooner posters. There where two poster that would have received time out. And no I'm not talking about you being one of them.
Although in your first response to the op could have possibly been baiting.
Medic007
Sooner starter
Mike, your's is a fair question.
Medic, your's is not worthy of commentary. Reach up and remove that chip on your shoulder. This isn't about you and your mod duties. It's about an ill-timed analogy of a very bad situation.
But to answer your question Mike, I and others requested the thread to be deleted very early on. The example of Stoops walking his team out onto the field, arm in arm, showing unity is what this board needed yesterday, Unity. Instead, the first post on the subject was a slap in the face to the President of the University for perceived past transgressions. Go back and read the many FIRST responses by multiple posters. They all were confused by 22's post and looking for leadership by Mods to correct the situation. It didn't happen. When it didn't happen, the thread then took on a life of it's own. What appeared to happen was that the thread was allowed to stand, thus creating division instead of unity, and eventually some got their panties all wadded up, the thread was locked and the reason given was the enforcement of rules.
Mike, you would have to be stretching, looking for something that isn't or wasn't there to say that my first post in that thread was even close to baiting. If anything, the OP was baiting the board by his first post in many, many months. Not a great return post by 22 in my opinion. I wish it could have been better. But it wasn't.
Medic, your's is not worthy of commentary. Reach up and remove that chip on your shoulder. This isn't about you and your mod duties. It's about an ill-timed analogy of a very bad situation.
But to answer your question Mike, I and others requested the thread to be deleted very early on. The example of Stoops walking his team out onto the field, arm in arm, showing unity is what this board needed yesterday, Unity. Instead, the first post on the subject was a slap in the face to the President of the University for perceived past transgressions. Go back and read the many FIRST responses by multiple posters. They all were confused by 22's post and looking for leadership by Mods to correct the situation. It didn't happen. When it didn't happen, the thread then took on a life of it's own. What appeared to happen was that the thread was allowed to stand, thus creating division instead of unity, and eventually some got their panties all wadded up, the thread was locked and the reason given was the enforcement of rules.
Mike, you would have to be stretching, looking for something that isn't or wasn't there to say that my first post in that thread was even close to baiting. If anything, the OP was baiting the board by his first post in many, many months. Not a great return post by 22 in my opinion. I wish it could have been better. But it wasn't.
Delete the post that breaks the rules
Put the offender in timeout
Let the debate continue
No reason to lock an entire thread because of one single sentence that broke a board rule. When you locked the thread over that one line it has the appearance that you are protecting or defending someone.
Put the offender in timeout
Let the debate continue
No reason to lock an entire thread because of one single sentence that broke a board rule. When you locked the thread over that one line it has the appearance that you are protecting or defending someone.
Medic007
Sooner starter
Hahaha! No chip on my shoulder WNAS. I don't have an allergy to criticism.
But, for all the grandness of your delusions about that thread, the reason for the timing of the lock is quite simple. I got on the board for the FIRST time last night when I got home from work. I then read that thread. I then locked it. Pretty simple. I would have locked it sooner had I been on the board sooner. I sincerely apologize that life sometimes prevents me from living on this board 24/7 and providing the leadership this board craves. I hope my transparency doesn't muck up your agenda too bad.
Had I deleted a two page thread instead of locking it, I'd probably be accused of censorship and protecting somebody...
Medic007
Sooner starter
Thanks for the advice. Read my response to WNAS.
Deleting a single post can remove quite a few posts as every post that was made using the "reply" on that post is deleted too. Deleting a post is a crapshoot. I also didn't lock it because of one single sentence that broke the rule.
I can accept your transparency. I also hope that my open posting and thorough transparency doesn't muck up your agenda either. There is no doubt that the thread had many facets that were ill-timed. We all recognize that you can't be sitting on the board 24/7. Having said this, the findings of bigotry & it reaching a national level in the media centering around OU was indeed a 'biggee'.
I wish for a better news day today regarding OU and do believe that the united front of Stoops and Boren has quelled the masses somewhat and that their continued leadership is received in a positive fashion going forward.
Peace out.
I read the thread, and came to the board later with the intention of posting, but I was not shocked it was locked. While I too thought it was a good thread, and was even a little disappointed it was locked, it was getting very personal .
22, I never felt you were saying it was an either or thing, and I don't think you were being insensitive. I never really paid attention to the words of that song, but I was shocked when you posted them!! They are filled with things that are very offensive. It was a point worth debating and it could have been done without personal attacks from any perspective.
The video was vile and hateful. The first thing I thought of was I bet those singing are the first to cheer on our black athletes at sporting events. Sorta the same reaction as Eric, although I wish he had used the count to ten rule, before going on video, and the first words we heard were the ones spoken so eloquently on CNN. I have never walked in his shoes, and I might have done the same thing!! But, I was sitting in a restaurant and heard an older gentleman say " that fraternity was wrong and they need to punish them, but they need to punish that Striker kid for using the f word too. He represents the university, and two wrongs don't make a right!" Of course , they are not even in the same universe of wrongs , and most of us recognized this was someone who was hurting!! Last night though, hearing him speak of how painful the lynching part was and the betrayal he felt, was just so poignant and heart wrenching. I would imagine there were a lot of people, who didn't even recognize their own prejudices, who felt convicted.
I think this board is sort of good example of how we stop hearing or caring about others opinions, when anger takes over, and the posts just become about who can insult the other the most. When that happens, no one is learning anything, the debate is lost is in the attacks, and we aren't hearing each other. There are times when posters just post to start stuff and are offensive and rude, and I am not talking about those people. But, when someone posts a point without malice, we can agree to disagree, or maybe we can find some common ground, if we are able to hear what the other person is saying. It is shame Medic and Mike have to shut down what starts out as a perfectly good debate, but by the very first posts of that thread, it started to get personal.
I am proud of President Boren, the students and faculty, and the athletes. Those students on this bus, hurt so many people. Charles Tapper's tweet SAE hates me, made me heartsick . The university I love, took a stand and said this is not what we believe in!!
Peace and kindness, can begin with each of us too!! Not worth much, but my two cents!
This post was edited on 3/10 10:40 AM by Sfenn3
22, I never felt you were saying it was an either or thing, and I don't think you were being insensitive. I never really paid attention to the words of that song, but I was shocked when you posted them!! They are filled with things that are very offensive. It was a point worth debating and it could have been done without personal attacks from any perspective.
The video was vile and hateful. The first thing I thought of was I bet those singing are the first to cheer on our black athletes at sporting events. Sorta the same reaction as Eric, although I wish he had used the count to ten rule, before going on video, and the first words we heard were the ones spoken so eloquently on CNN. I have never walked in his shoes, and I might have done the same thing!! But, I was sitting in a restaurant and heard an older gentleman say " that fraternity was wrong and they need to punish them, but they need to punish that Striker kid for using the f word too. He represents the university, and two wrongs don't make a right!" Of course , they are not even in the same universe of wrongs , and most of us recognized this was someone who was hurting!! Last night though, hearing him speak of how painful the lynching part was and the betrayal he felt, was just so poignant and heart wrenching. I would imagine there were a lot of people, who didn't even recognize their own prejudices, who felt convicted.
I think this board is sort of good example of how we stop hearing or caring about others opinions, when anger takes over, and the posts just become about who can insult the other the most. When that happens, no one is learning anything, the debate is lost is in the attacks, and we aren't hearing each other. There are times when posters just post to start stuff and are offensive and rude, and I am not talking about those people. But, when someone posts a point without malice, we can agree to disagree, or maybe we can find some common ground, if we are able to hear what the other person is saying. It is shame Medic and Mike have to shut down what starts out as a perfectly good debate, but by the very first posts of that thread, it started to get personal.
I am proud of President Boren, the students and faculty, and the athletes. Those students on this bus, hurt so many people. Charles Tapper's tweet SAE hates me, made me heartsick . The university I love, took a stand and said this is not what we believe in!!
Peace and kindness, can begin with each of us too!! Not worth much, but my two cents
!This post was edited on 3/10 10:40 AM by Sfenn3
Medic007
Sooner starter
I am just a visitor to your message boards, so it is not my place to comment on what discretion mods use when policing this forum. I would say as a guest, I was treated with the utmost respect and was pleasantly surprised by the quality of discussion and debate on your forum. Whether I agree with any specific point of view or not, there were many insightful comments. Hopefully, I didn't contribute to anyone being labelled as disruptive, causing problems was certainly not my intention. As each day goes by, this situation seemingly becomes worst, but the character I've seen here tells me more about your values than a 20 second video. Not sure if I'm welcomed back, but you'll see your way through the storm. Keep your heads up OU, you have zero to be ashamed of.
WNAS, you are ridiculous. I swear you'd argue with a stump if you thought it questioned you.
You blame everyone else for your arguing on the board but can never point the finger at yourself. You can't even take equally responsibility. Anyone who questions you, you take personal offense too.
You're arguing with Medic now for gawd sake. You were a part of the reason that thread got locked. So was I. It doesn't make you less of a man to own up to your end from time to time.
You blame everyone else for your arguing on the board but can never point the finger at yourself. You can't even take equally responsibility. Anyone who questions you, you take personal offense too.
You're arguing with Medic now for gawd sake. You were a part of the reason that thread got locked. So was I. It doesn't make you less of a man to own up to your end from time to time.
Medic007
Sooner starter
Very nice words PBC. Thank you. You've been a great poster. You are welcome to post here any time.
This board has awesome posters. Sure there are disagreements from time to time, but I wouldn't want to be posting with any other group. I love these guys and gals. We don't get a lot of trolls here because our posters eat them.
Medic I've been doing some venturing around Rivals to view others home site free boards, and I honestly believe we have one of the better free boards overall. We don't have a ton of traffic, but we do have more than most, and the expectation of dialogue is very respectable.
- Status
Similar threads
