Some XII teams had surprising no shows in the draft.

[Plainosooner]

Almost finished. I'm surprised that no Baylor player has been drafted. No receivers K.D. Cannon or Ishmael Zamora. No center Kyle Fuller. No quarterback Seth Russell.

Texas only had one player listed on NFL.com who was considered draftable. Foreman went in the third.

TCU with all that speed on O and D had one guy drafted. In the 7th.

Tech had nobody besides Mahomes. BTW, did you see that Giles is transferring?

OSU had seven players listed on NFL.com as draftable. So far, only one in the 6th, Vincent Taylor.

KState had two, Elijah Lee in the 7th and Jordan Willis in the 3rd.

West Virginia had two, and five others considered draftable, including one fifth round projection who's still on the board.

Kansas and Iowa State, nada.

 

[veritas59]

And Charles Walker doesn't get drafted. I guess the league prefers hitters over quitters.

 

[Plainosooner]

Charles isn't the first Sooner over the years to have problems with depression. Dan Cody had it. Thompson had it. A couple of linemen left after having it. Kind of hard to deal with.

I know.

 

[CTOkie]

Another indication of the Big 12's weakness.

 

[Plainosooner]

OSU had another player drafted late seventh. It was a juco running back I never heard of.

CTO, I still believe that the XII is a league with quality coaches at most schools in most sports. Not so sure about Kingsbury, but Patterson is highly respected and so is Herman. Both Oklahoma coaches are quality coaches. Snyder is a quality guy. And I think that both the guy at ISU and at KU are good coaches. Holgerson is quirky, but they got to bowl games every year and are a tough out in the conference.

I know little about the Baylor guy.

The problems with the XII are mostly about the recruiting base, and that isn't going to change no matter what league OU plays in. The talent base instate is substandard, and I blame the state's oversight in allowing recruiting of talent to the same schools over and over.

Recently, OU and OSU have been the best two teams in the conference. I don't think you measure a program by how many players get drafted. But it does indicate something. I know that OU schooled Auburn in the Sugar Bowl and the three other teams in the conference in bowl games went 3-2.

So it wasn't a horrible year. I think those who think the conference can't be good unless UT is good, are about to get their wish. I disagree with that on two levels. But Texas is likely to have more than one drafted in the next few years.

 

[Senior Sooner]

Charles isn't the first Sooner over the years to have problems with depression. Dan Cody had it. Thompson had it. A couple of linemen left after having it. Kind of hard to deal with.
I know.

Me, too...

 

[Oklabama]

The Big XII is becoming the new Mountain West.

 

[iasooner1]

Now THAT's Depressing...

 

[BillyRay]

The Big XII has simply become a league full of teams that resemble what Mike Leach created at TTech back in the early 2000s.

 

[CTOkie]

OSU had another player drafted late seventh. It was a juco running back I never heard of.

CTO, I still believe that the XII is a league with quality coaches at most schools in most sports. Not so sure about Kingsbury, but Patterson is highly respected and so is Herman. Both Oklahoma coaches are quality coaches. Snyder is a quality guy. And I think that both the guy at ISU and at KU are good coaches. Holgerson is quirky, but they got to bowl games every year and are a tough out in the conference.

I know little about the Baylor guy.

The problems with the XII are mostly about the recruiting base, and that isn't going to change no matter what league OU plays in. The talent base instate is substandard, and I blame the state's oversight in allowing recruiting of talent to the same schools over and over.

Recently, OU and OSU have been the best two teams in the conference. I don't think you measure a program by how many players get drafted. But it does indicate something. I know that OU schooled Auburn in the Sugar Bowl and the three other teams in the conference in bowl games went 3-2.

So it wasn't a horrible year. I think those who think the conference can't be good unless UT is good, are about to get their wish. I disagree with that on two levels. But Texas is likely to have more than one drafted in the next few years.

There are good coaches in the Big 12, but the talent level compared to other conferences and the style of play does not translate into being among the top four conferences.
How many players gettting drafted from one particular program may not reflect how good that program is....although it helps....but when you compare the Big 12 against the other conferences who sent players to be drafted, it is alarming.
OU has been the bully on the block in the Big 12, even with its perennial habit of suffering ambush losses and sucking in bowl competition. For many here, that's become acceptable.
But I'm starting to believe Texas will soon be on the same level as OU, which is a good thing for OU and the Big 12. How the other eight schools stay relevant is another story.

 

[iasooner1]

rinse out your mouth's foul bile: tea sips can never be on OUr level

 

[Plainosooner]

I know that in the most recent bowl season, that OU smoked an S

The Big XII has simply become a league full of teams that resemble what Mike Leach created at TTech back in the early 2000s.

I think offensively, they copied OU more than Tech.

 

[CTOkie]

rinse out your mouth's foul bile: tea sips can never be on OUr level

In my 68 years, there HAVE been times when OU was the lesser team.....as in the decade of the 1960's.

 

[Senior Sooner]

In my 68 years, there HAVE been times when OU was the lesser team.....as in the decade of the 1960's.

Tough to rebuild after the Men of the 47 Straight graduated...

 

[BillyRay]

I think offensively, they copied OU more than Tech.

Ya think?? Maybe it's cuz Mike Leach spent a year at OU before going to TTech. Or really, I guess you could say OU copied it from Kentucky more than anything when Leach came to OU in 1999.

 

[Plainosooner]

We didn't run Leach's offense after 2003 until Riley arrived. When we got the Heisman winner all beat up with the minimal protection in 03, we didn't run whatever name you have for the Leach offense. And of course, AD arrived and was a lot better tailback than spread / zone read runner.

You never saw Leach in an I.

 

[CTOkie]

Tough to rebuild after the Men of the 47 Straight graduated...

I do not believe Wilkinson was as focused after the 1958 season and certainly after the 1959 season. His recruiting stagnated and by his own admission he failed to exploit commercial jet travel in going further for talent.
He had a bit of a resurgence in 1962 and 1963 but OU needed a coach with fire in his belly and Gomer Jones was not such a coach.
Plus the Big 8 and Texas were no longer the dwarfs they were during the 1950's.....and the 47 game winning streak was against opponents with a collective 38% winning record, highlighted by the dreadful Texas and Norte Dame teams of 1956.

 

[BillyRay]

We didn't run Leach's offense after 2003 until Riley arrived. When we got the Heisman winner all beat up with the minimal protection in 03, we didn't run whatever name you have for the Leach offense. And of course, AD arrived and was a lot better tailback than spread / zone read runner.

You never saw Leach in an I.

So from 2999-2003 OU ran it, then went back to it. Leach brought it, and Bob couldn't stand that he got away from it.

 

[Senior Sooner]

I do not believe Wilkinson was as focused after the 1958 season and certainly after the 1959 season. His recruiting stagnated and by his own admission he failed to exploit commercial jet travel in going further for talent.
He had a bit of a resurgence in 1962 and 1963 but OU needed a coach with fire in his belly and Gomer Jones was not such a coach.
Plus the Big 8 and Texas were no longer the dwarfs they were during the 1950's.....and the 47 game winning streak was against opponents with a collective 38% winning record, highlighted by the dreadful Texas and Norte Dame teams of 1956.

From 47 Straight, there was nowhere to go, but Down...I felt that the Anticlimactic Attitude that prevailed was the beginning of the end for Bud. I was glad that he recognized it, and changed his career path. He wasn't born to be a runner-up, or an also ran...

 

[Plainosooner]

So from 2999-2003 OU ran it, then went back to it. Leach brought it, and Bob couldn't stand that he got away from it.

Bob played in two NC games from 2000 to 2003 and had injured quarterbacks in both. He won one, because the defense was spectacular against Weinke. But Jason White was so beat up, that we couldn't overcome LSU in Nawlins despite having a better team. That, and AD is why he changed offenses and tightened up the line splits.

Even now, we're sort of running the Leach offense, but without the exaggerated line splits.

 

[iasooner1]

I've never gotten over the fact that we didn't get a shot with (Hybl ?) to relieve Jason for at least a series in that game

 

[Plainosooner]

I've never gotten over the fact that we didn't get a shot with (Hybl ?) to relieve Jason for at least a series in that game

Hybl graduated the year before, Rose Bowl MVP in his final game, I believe. The backup was Paul Thompson, who was pretty good three years later, but in his first game two year later, was miserable in a surprising home loss to TCU. And lost his starting job to Jerry Bomar's freshman son. Thompson wasn't ready to play in the Sugar Bowl.

 

[Oklabama]

I do not believe Wilkinson was as focused after the 1958 season and certainly after the 1959 season. His recruiting stagnated and by his own admission he failed to exploit commercial jet travel in going further for talent.
He had a bit of a resurgence in 1962 and 1963 but OU needed a coach with fire in his belly and Gomer Jones was not such a coach.
Plus the Big 8 and Texas were no longer the dwarfs they were during the 1950's.....and the 47 game winning streak was against opponents with a collective 38% winning record, highlighted by the dreadful Texas and Norte Dame teams of 1956.

OU got one when Jim Mackenzie was hired. What a tragic day April 28, 1967 was. Just 50 years ago this past weekend. Fox College Sports is airing a Sooner special about Jim and his year as Sooner head coach. Watch it and think back how badly OU needed a guy like Mackenzie and the job he did.

 

[iasooner1]

Hybl graduated the year before, Rose Bowl MVP in his final game, I believe. The backup was Paul Thompson, who was pretty good three years later, but in his first game two year later, was miserable in a surprising home loss to TCU. And lost his starting job to Jerry Bomar's freshman son. Thompson wasn't ready to play in the Sugar Bowl.

OK, you're right about Hybl giving us our one & only Rose win. I checked Soonerstats for the '03 roster. I find Soph Paul Thompson and Frosh Tommy Grady at QB behind Jason. IF there is one thing history has proven, Stoops refuses to insert young backups into meaningful mop up duty which drives me crazy. With that team PT Should have been good enough to run a qb sneak on the goal line.

 

[CTOkie]

OK, you're right about Hybl giving us our one & only Rose win. I checked Soonerstats for the '03 roster. I find Soph Paul Thompson and Frosh Tommy Grady at QB behind Jason. IF there is one thing history has proven, Stoops refuses to insert young backups into meaningful mop up duty which drives me crazy. With that team PT Should have been good enough to run a qb sneak on the goal line.

Stoops has historically played his front line players deep into blowouts.

 

[Oklabama]

Stoops has historically played his front line players deep into blowouts.

Jim Mackenzie's #1 principle for winning was Play the Percentages. Barry Switzer said that he agreed. I don't know if this is an example, but Barry wasn't one for playing his starters when it became apparent the game belonged to OU. Of course, that could have been the fact that Barry typically had backups that were really good footballers. But still.

 

[JConXtsy]

I find Soph Paul Thompson and Frosh Tommy Grady at QB behind Jason. IF there is one thing history has proven, Stoops refuses to insert young backups into meaningful mop up duty which drives me crazy. With that team PT Should have been good enough to run a qb sneak on the goal line.

LOL. Haven't heard Tommy Grady's name in awhile. Wasn't he the QB star recruit that fell off the back of a pickup truck while boozing it with his friends at OU? haha

 

[Berryhillboomer]

Nope that was Brent Rawls

 

[Oklabama]

Nope that was Brent Rawls

Brent Rawls and Tommy Grady. LOL Two highly ranked school boys that flopped. At least, Tommy transferred and actually got on the field a little. Can't remember Rawls' accomplishments after leaving OU. And, I thought he was going to be the next Sooner QB. Wrong again. Wasn't the last time.

 

[JConXtsy]

Brent Rawls and Tommy Grady. LOL Two highly ranked school boys that flopped. At least, Tommy transferred and actually got on the field a little. Can't remember Rawls' accomplishments after leaving OU. And, I thought he was going to be the next Sooner QB. Wrong again. Wasn't the last time.

Yeah, Stoops' star QBs have definitely not come in the form of high-ranked recruits.

Jason White (Oklahoma Class 3A-1 POY)
Sam Bradford (3-star only recruited by Iowa State, Texas Tech and aTm - horrible schools at the time/still)
Baker Mayfield....

 

[Oklabama]

Yeah, Stoops' star QBs have definitely not come in the form of high-ranked recruits.

Jason White (Oklahoma Class 3A-1 POY)
Sam Bradford (3-star only recruited by Iowa State, Texas Tech and aTm - horrible schools at the time/still)
Baker Mayfield....

Well, Bob has been very unlucky AND very lucky in a weird sort of way. All in all, he's done a very good job of bringing in quarterbacks that have won a shit load of games for him and us fans.

 

[iasooner1]

Well done 'bama. Of course there usually are a whole lot of other letters in Team. The Natty of '00 was done with another example of an unknown commodity at QB in JH.

 

[CTOkie]

Heupel did not have a strong arm and no elite mobility. All he could do is find ways to win.
That makes him a great QB to me.

 

[Senior Sooner]

Heupel did not have a strong arm and no elite mobility. All he could do is find ways to win.
That makes him a great QB to me.

Josh got Bonus Points, from me, for having a Really Good Football Mind, an On-the-Field Presence and a Knowledge of the Game. That made up for some of the deficits in his Physical Abilities...

Those assets often result from being a Coach's or Player's Kid, where they cut their teeth on Theory, and have heard Footballese spoken, from the cradle on...

 

[iasooner1]

I wish him well in his journey through life. Maybe he'll coach again at some level

 

[td71sooner]

Interesting article.
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/big-12-could-big-trouble-142750499.html?src=rss

 

[Senior Sooner]

Interesting article.
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/big-12-could-big-trouble-142750499.html?src=rss

There is 'Something' about our Recruiting that concerns me...Could it be this?

 

[td71sooner]

Time will tell, but if it has some merit, it certainly can be used against us when competing for recruits.

 

[Oklabama]

In the history of the NFL draft OU has has 43 first round picks and the vast majority were during the 50's and 70's. I don't know how that measures up to other schools but it comes in spurts apparently. Problem for OU was that the 90's was sour. Regardless, history for recruiting purposes really means "recent" history as in the last few years.

 

[JConXtsy]

In the history of the NFL draft OU has has 43 #1 picks and the vast majority were during the 50's and 70's. I don't know how that measures up to other schools but it comes in spurts apparently. Problem for OU was that the 90's was sour. Regardless, history for recruiting purposes really means "recent" history as in the last few years.

Dude! You gotta mean 1st round picks, right???!!
The draft has only existed since 1936, I think. That's 81 drafts. You're saying we've had the #1 pick in more than half of them?