OU most likely won't see a Top 15 class this year...

[JMISASANO]

That is to say, if you follow the formula of quantity over quality as projected by Rivals.

However...

Quality over quantity:

#1 FSU = 3.95

#2 Bama = 3.92

#3 USC = 3.85

#4 Tenn = 3.64

#5 Clemson = 3.61

#5 LSU = 3.61

#7 Auburn = 3.6

#8 OU = 3.58

aTm = 3.35

Texas = 3.39

Some don't understand that talent shouldn't only consider quantity as much as a quality.

Regardless...

Bob is having some MAJOR issues closing deals on key prospects down the stretch.

Fortunately, Jay Norvell signed two WRs at midterm, e.g. Westbrook and Humphrey, or OU would be null in void at a need position.

= Linebackers is just in a bad place.

= DLine is now looking for needed help, banking on Darrion Daniels for some, but truly need more.

= QB is not going to happen, but that was expected.

The issue here is Bob's the lack of success on sealing the deal for talent prospects down the stretch.

It's not happening for some odd reason.


Hire some bigtime recruiters at WR and DB along with LB, then this issue may be a non-issue in 2016.






This post was edited on 1/26 12:12 AM by JMISASANO

 

[Yankees03]

It's not happening for some odd reason.



Uh call me crazy, but perhaps last season had something to do with it? lol

 

[JMISASANO]

Originally posted by Yankees03:
It's not happening for some odd reason.



Uh call me crazy, but perhaps last season had something to do with it? lol

That's obvious.

But, where are the WR recruiter and the DB recruiter?

Expecting Jerry Montgomery to recruit DL and LBers only puts pressure on his position.

He needs help.

 

[CTOkie]

Read the Daily Oklahoman today.
OU is still in on some very good linebackers (McGinnis, Houston, Smith) and defensive tackles (Lampkin, Daniels)....as well as OG Wariboko, who could see playing time this season, given his potential and OU's immediate need on the OL.
OU's class should be a top 20 one....it could be a top 10 class if all of these six players commit, but that's not likely....but it says a lot for OU's brand name that these guys are still considering coming here.
I choose to wait until signing day to judge this class. So much can still happen. It's too early to determine the overall quality of this incoming class. But at least one more linebacker, Wariboko and another DT is a must.

 

[soonerfastnloud]

That's what happens when a team hits bottom. The coach's reputation means a lot. Players want to play on a big stage. Their goal is the $$$$$ NFL.

Originally posted by JMISASANO:
That is to say, if you follow the formula of quantity over quality as projected by Rivals.

However...

Quality over quantity:

#1 FSU = 3.95

#2 Bama = 3.92

#3 USC = 3.85

#4 Tenn = 3.64

#5 Clemson = 3.61

#5 LSU = 3.61

#7 Auburn = 3.6

#8 OU = 3.58

aTm = 3.35

Texas = 3.39

Some don't understand that talent shouldn't only consider quantity as much as a quality.

Regardless...

Bob is having some MAJOR issues closing deals on key prospects down the stretch.

Fortunately, Jay Norvell signed two WRs at midterm, e.g. Westbrook and Humphrey, or OU would be null in void at a need position.

= Linebackers is just in a bad place.

= DLine is now looking for needed help, banking on Darrion Daniels for some, but truly need more.

= QB is not going to happen, but that was expected.

The issue here is Bob's the lack of success on sealing the deal for talent prospects down the stretch.

It's not happening for some odd reason.


Hire some bigtime recruiters at WR and DB along with LB, then this issue may be a non-issue in 2016.






This post was edited on 1/26 12:12 AM by JMISASANO

 

[Brentwood Sooner]

OU has no chance with Houston, Smith and don't see Daniels or Lampkin coming to OU

 

[JMISASANO]

Originally posted by CTOkie:
Read the Daily Oklahoman today.
OU is still in on some very good linebackers (McGinnis, Houston, Smith) and defensive tackles (Lampkin, Daniels)....as well as OG Wariboko, who could see playing time this season, given his potential and OU's immediate need on the OL.
OU's class should be a top 20 one....it could be a top 10 class if all of these six players commit, but that's not likely....but it says a lot for OU's brand name that these guys are still considering coming here.
I choose to wait until signing day to judge this class. So much can still happen. It's too early to determine the overall quality of this incoming class. But at least one more linebacker, Wariboko and another DT is a must.

Daily Oklahoma has old news...since last week through Sunday.

OU struck out:

LB: Josh Smith (Vandy), Anthony McKee (Pitt), Fatu Laieta (Oregon), Dwayne Thomas (aTm), Louis Brown (OSU)

WR: Van Jefferson (Ole Miss) and Ryan Newsome (UCLA)

DL: Daishon Neal (Neb) and Du'Vonta Lampkin (horn)

So...

That's nine strikeouts in a week, although technically Lampkin was a horn commit.

Only possibilities still on the board:

WR: Dominique Reed

LB: Arthur McGinnis

DL: Darrion Daniels

OL: Josh Wariboko

DB: Darreyl Patterson (grades still an issue, according to some.)

There's only two 4 stars in that group, so NO chance for a Top 10 class and may not even be a Top 15 at the end of the day.

Now...

OU may cherry-pick some new prospects that weren't on the original board, but those thought to be in play last week did not pan out at all. OU didn't get one of them last week, not even one.

OU's recruiting needs help with more standout recruiters on the staff, hopefully WR and DB position coaches will be outstanding recruiters.







This post was edited on 1/26 9:30 AM by JMISASANO

 

[sooner_mike]

Brentwood, is your bold Statement above fact or opinion?



If it is fact please provide a link to your statement. Thanks!




Can someone tell me what Tennessee's record was in 2013? If I'm not mistaken Tennessee landed the last number 1 class.

 

[JMISASANO]

Originally posted by Brentwood Sooner:
OU has no chance with Houston, Smith and don't see Daniels or Lampkin coming to OU

Your projections are about right on 3 of 4 imho.

You are correct on Josh Smith (Vandy commit) and Du'Vonta Lampkin (horn commit), both are technically out of the race until further notice.

Darrion Daniels is still a possibility, while John Houston is a major USC lean. Of those two, Darrion Daniels is the best chance.

Our LB recruiting is really thin this year for some odd reason. Running the 3-4 requires numbers, which just hasn't panned out for OU.






This post was edited on 1/26 7:05 AM by JMISASANO

 

[BillyRay]

Originally posted by JMISASANO:

Our LB recruiting is really thin this year for some odd reason.

One word.....Kish.

LB recruiting has been abysmal since he has been here. I have a feeling he has/had this recruiting class to redeem himself or he is getting put to pasture after NSD.

 

[madcow12]

Do you guys still have coaching positions open ? You only have one wide receiver in this class but do you have a wr coach ?

 

[JMISASANO]

Originally posted by BillyRay:

Originally posted by JMISASANO:

Our LB recruiting is really thin this year for some odd reason.

One word.....Kish.

LB recruiting has been abysmal since he has been here. I have a feeling he has/had this recruiting class to redeem himself or he is getting put to pasture after NSD.

That's a huge area of recruiting OU needs to improve greatly, IF they want to scheme a 3-4.

I can see Kish replaced after this recruiting cycle unless he pulls off some kind of unforeseen recruiting turnaround in this last week.



This post was edited on 1/26 10:01 AM by JMISASANO

 

[JConXtsy]

Originally posted by JMISASANO:

That's a huge area of recruiting OU needs to improve greatly, IF they want to scheme a 3-4.

I can see Kish replaced after this recruiting cycle unless he pulls off some kind of unforeseen recruiting turnaround in this last week.



This post was edited on 1/26 10:01 AM by JMISASANO

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[CTOkie]

Originally posted by JMISASANO:

Originally posted by CTOkie:
Oklahoman has old news...since last week through Sunday.

OU struck out:

LB: Josh Smith (Vandy), Anthony McKee (Pitt), Fatu Laieta (Oregon), Dwayne Thomas (aTm), Louis Brown (OSU)

WR: Van Jefferson (Ole Miss) and Ryan Newsome (UCLA)

DL: Daishon Neal (Neb) and Du'Vonta Lampkin (horn)

So...

That's nine strikeouts in a week, although technically Lampkin was a horn commit.

Only possibilities still on the board:

WR: Dominique Reed

LB: Arthur McGinnis

DL: Darrion Daniels

OL: Josh Wariboko

DB: Darreyl Patterson (grades still an issue, according to some.)

There's only two 4 stars in that group, so NO chance for a Top 10 class and may not even be a Top 15 at the end of the day.

Now...

OU may cherry-pick some new prospects that weren't on the original board, but those thought to be in play last week did not pan out at all. OU didn't get one of them last week, not even one.

OU's recruiting needs help with more standout recruiters on the staff, hopefully WR and DB position coaches will be outstanding recruiters.






This post was edited on 1/26 9:30 AM by JMISASANO

This news was from 1/25.....yesterday....and is not old news.
Regardless, no one can tell which way OU's recruiting will go, especially after a shitty year and with staff changes pending.
Bob Stoops will have to personally have a hand in luring some remaining recruits these last 9 days before signing day. He closed well last year getting Orlando Brown, Micah Quick, Stephen Parker and Kenyon Frison.....now, he must do it again.
OU has to climb back up its own conference latter before it can realistically think of a top 10 ranking and especially a national championship.The Big 12 is behind 4 other conferences (SEC, Big 10, Pac 12 and the ACC) and OU is lodged in the middle of a fading conference. What ails OU won't be cured overnight.

 

[JMISASANO]

Originally posted by CTOkie:

Originally posted by JMISASANO:

Originally posted by CTOkie:
Oklahoman has old news...since last week through Sunday.

OU struck out:

LB: Josh Smith (Vandy), Anthony McKee (Pitt), Fatu Laieta (Oregon), Dwayne Thomas (aTm), Louis Brown (OSU)

WR: Van Jefferson (Ole Miss) and Ryan Newsome (UCLA)

DL: Daishon Neal (Neb) and Du'Vonta Lampkin (horn)

So...

That's nine strikeouts in a week, although technically Lampkin was a horn commit.

Only possibilities still on the board:

WR: Dominique Reed

LB: Arthur McGinnis

DL: Darrion Daniels

OL: Josh Wariboko

DB: Darreyl Patterson (grades still an issue, according to some.)

There's only two 4 stars in that group, so NO chance for a Top 10 class and may not even be a Top 15 at the end of the day.

Now...

OU may cherry-pick some new prospects that weren't on the original board, but those thought to be in play last week did not pan out at all. OU didn't get one of them last week, not even one.

OU's recruiting needs help with more standout recruiters on the staff, hopefully WR and DB position coaches will be outstanding recruiters.






This post was edited on 1/26 9:30 AM by JMISASANO

This news was from 1/25.....yesterday....and is not old news.
Regardless, no one can tell which way OU's recruiting will go, especially after a shitty year and with staff changes pending.
Bob Stoops will have to personally have a hand in luring some remaining recruits these last 9 days before signing day. He closed well last year getting Orlando Brown, Micah Quick, Stephen Parker and Kenyon Frison.....now, he must do it again.
OU has to climb back up its own conference latter before it can realistically think of a top 10 ranking and especially a national championship.The Big 12 is behind 4 other conferences (SEC, Big 10, Pac 12 and the ACC) and OU is lodged in the middle of a fading conference. What ails OU won't be cured overnight.

Daily Oklahoman is reporting old news as they are obviously not up to date. That was my point. OU's class was #15 last year, and #15 in 2013, so Bob hasn't been signing Top 10 classes for some time. Hopefully, this class will end some some nice adds, unknown.

OU better hire some stout recruiters as new assistants or the future is going to be bleak on the field. Bob needs talent to compete with the talent that Nick Saban, Jimbo Fisher and Urban Meyer are hauling in.

It's strange that Bob is taking his time to add assistants in key areas that could help with recruiting.

 

[larwilli]

Texas is the only Big 12 school to sign higher ranked recuiting classes than OU the last 4 years and OU is 3-1 against Texas during that time. Most people blamed Mack Brown and the coaching staff for the dropoff of Texas since 2009 and it finally got him fired. During that time OU has gone 1-3 against Baylor, 2-2 against KSU and OSU, and lost to TCU last year after close wins the previous 2 years. None of those 4 schools have signed a recruiting class ranked even close to OU.

Coaching and player development seems to be the bigger problem for OU. OU is doing less with more and Baylor, KSU, TCU & OSU are getting more out of lower rated recuiting classes.
This post was edited on 1/26 11:32 AM by larwilli

 

[JMISASANO]

Originally posted by larwilli:

Texas is the only Big 12 school to sign higher ranked recuiting classes than OU the last 4 years and OU is 3-1 against Texas during that time. During that time OU has gone 1-3 against Baylor, 2-2 against KSU and OSU, and lost to TCU last year. None of those 4 schools have signed a recruiting class ranked even close to OU.

Coaching and player development seems to be the bigger problem for OU. OU is doing less with more and Baylor, KSU, TCU & OSU are getting more out of lower rated recuiting classes.

Coaching is a problem for OU, and that's why changes are being made again.

As far as recruiting, you'll have to convenience HCs like Nick Saban, Urban Meyer and Jimbo Fisher that recruiting isn't a big deal because they sure do put a lot of emphasis on it and a lot of effort into it.

If OU's goal is to only beat lonely OSU, TCU and Baylor and forget about Bama, tOSU and FSU going forward, then this program has lost all focus.

Sad day for that to be the reality of OU football.

 

[jason#1soonerfan]

Jesus, this thread is depressing.

 

[Deweygolfer]

Luckily for 2023, we are now up to #4 in ESPN and #6 in Rivals Rankings. Plus some fantastic additions via the Transfer Portal. Things are trending up for BV and the Boys!

 

[Plainosooner]

Why dredge up an eight years old thread talking about how miserable recruiting was going to be. We still won more conference championships than everybody else put together.

 

[CTOkie]

What Venables has done with OU's recruiting is really remarkable, starting from the night he arrived.
The 2022 class was a top ten class and this year's class is ranked anywhere from 4th to 6th in the country.
Considering the tough year OU's just had, mostly due to Riley's sabotage of the roster and recruiting....as well as the usual NFL exits and transfers.... a year ago, none of us could have expected such a recovery, despite the losing record of 6 and 7.
OU took a huge hit in Riley's reckless exit, but Venables has given the program what it needed most and that is restoration of the OU "brand".
Riley, on the other hand, also helped restore "the brand".......... by leaving.

 

[veritas59]

That is to say, if you follow the formula of quantity over quality as projected by Rivals.

However...

Quality over quantity:

#1 FSU = 3.95

#2 Bama = 3.92

#3 USC = 3.85

#4 Tenn = 3.64

#5 Clemson = 3.61

#5 LSU = 3.61

#7 Auburn = 3.6

#8 OU = 3.58

aTm = 3.35

Texas = 3.39

Some don't understand that talent shouldn't only consider quantity as much as a quality.

Regardless...

Bob is having some MAJOR issues closing deals on key prospects down the stretch.

Fortunately, Jay Norvell signed two WRs at midterm, e.g. Westbrook and Humphrey, or OU would be null in void at a need position.

= Linebackers is just in a bad place.

= DLine is now looking for needed help, banking on Darrion Daniels for some, but truly need more.

= QB is not going to happen, but that was expected.

The issue here is Bob's the lack of success on sealing the deal for talent prospects down the stretch.

It's not happening for some odd reason.


Hire some bigtime recruiters at WR and DB along with LB, then this issue may be a non-issue in 2016.






This post was edited on 1/26 12:12 AM by JMISASANO

Not getting enough attention at home, huh?

 

[Deweygolfer]

What Venables has done with OU's recruiting is really remarkable, starting from the night he arrived.
The 2022 class was a top ten class and this year's class is ranked anywhere from 4th to 6th in the country.
Considering the tough year OU's just had, mostly due to Riley's sabotage of the roster and recruiting....as well as the usual NFL exits and transfers.... a year ago, none of us could have expected such a recovery, despite the losing record of 6 and 7.
OU took a huge hit in Riley's reckless exit, but Venables has given the program what it needed most and that is restoration of the OU "brand".
Riley, on the other hand, also helped restore "the brand".......... by leaving.

To your point:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ot...newsntp&cvid=43a4925472114185863ab67e2bf4e90b

 

[CTOkie]

To your point:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ot...newsntp&cvid=43a4925472114185863ab67e2bf4e90b

2022 does not indicate much good about the current on-field situation with OU football, but behind the scenes, it is Venables’ influence on recruiting and his coaching ability that will trump Riley’s success at USC.