OT: Not about firearms, but about ammo.
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Federal Premium Personal Defense Ammunition 45 ACP 230 Grain Hydra-Shok Jacketed Hollow Point. It has never failed to fire.
Good choice (in my opinion). I use it in 9mm and .380 ACP. 4 layer denim gel block testing on YouTube is very favorable. My only gripe is when it comes in those plastic boxes. Those things are tough to open.
Bolts baby, bolts. Compound bow, throwing knives, moccasins and a gutting knife.
Dont forget my chainsaws...
Dont forget my chainsaws...
Soonersincefitty
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Winchester Super X is very quality and lethal. Got that in 357 Mag.
Any of the domestic made JHP are fine IMO.
Funny, I'm still hanging on to a box of the dreaded Black Talon in 40 Cal. I bought before they were banned.
Saving them for a special occasion.
I don't know what all the furor was about them. There are several others that will also penetrate kevlar vests and mushroom the same way.
It's just sillyness.
Any of the domestic made JHP are fine IMO.
Funny, I'm still hanging on to a box of the dreaded Black Talon in 40 Cal. I bought before they were banned.
Saving them for a special occasion.
I don't know what all the furor was about them. There are several others that will also penetrate kevlar vests and mushroom the same way.
It's just sillyness.
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Soonersincefitty
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Winchester PDX1 for the pistol. It's the modern day version of the old Black Talon's.
For the house, regular old 12ga with 3" 00 buckshot.
For the house, regular old 12ga with 3" 00 buckshot.
I've never owned more than a bb gun so I have absolutely no knowledge of firearms. I've been thinking lately of buying one to keep in the house just in case. Any suggestions about what would be a solid self defense gun to keep around? What would be a reasonable price I should expect to pay?
To keep around the house, I've always been a fan on a pump shotgun. Just the sound of a pump shotgun is enough to make anyone GTFO of dodge and avoids having to shoot and/or kill someone in the first place. But hey...I'm not some wannabe hero bragging about wanting to kill people. I would rather avoid the situation entirely.
BR I was thinking of something smaller that I could keep tucked away. I have a small child in the home so it would need to be as safe as possible. Keep in mind I've never shot shot a gun in my life
Ya I see what you mean man. But even with a small pistol, or any gun for that matter, having a small child in the home can make it risky. You simply have to make educating your kid about guns a HUGE priority to make sure they understand the danger and how important safety is. Because even a small gun you risk your child coming across it someday when they are being nosey while you aren't home. Lol
Check out the Taurus Judge revolver. It shoots 410 shotgun shells (and shoots 45 if you wish). No precise aiming required. You'll have to call the drywall man if you shoot it in the house. I don't own one, but shot one at the range. It would be a great house gun.
No reason to run away from it simply because of not wanting to deal with teaching your child firearm responsibility. Another thing is to simply MAKE SURE that gun is unloaded when you aren't at home and keep the shells elsewhere. So at the very least if your child comes across the gun, it's not loaded. Protecting your family is a pretty big responsibility man. I would much rather take on that responsibility myself, rather than having to rely on the police getting there in time if someone did decide to come into my home. Because more than likely, the police won't get there in time. You're on your own bro.
And S22 is right. I forgot about The Judge. A buddy had one a couple of years ago and it was a pretty slick weapon.
Soonersincefitty
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Yep, as I understand it, some airline pilots are keeping the Judge in the cockpit with 410 buckshot. Less chance of having a catastrophic loss of pressure by piercing the fuselage with a conventional bullet.
Then there are some that are using the fracturing ammo that 'breaks up' when hitting a human miscreant at 5 miles high.
Damn, like pilots don't have enough issues to deal with in ideal conditions.
Ya its a tough decision. IMO, you can educate your kids all you want but they are still kids and accidents happen. Have to think about it some more
I use hornady critical defense in .45 ACP.
For home defense I'd recommend a 12 gauge pump with 00 buck like Billy said. I have had several guns around the house with small kids, big kids and now adults. I just took them out to shoot it and let them see what it does. Once it's not a toy any longer and the mystery is gone, I've never had an issue.
Just lock it in the bedroom or gun cabinet and never keep one in the chamber. The pumps are pretty good about making it difficult for youngsters to figure out how to operate it these days. You have to push a button to get the pump to even work. Besides, you want to have to rack the round...that's the universal "oh shit" moment for a criminal.
For home defense I'd recommend a 12 gauge pump with 00 buck like Billy said. I have had several guns around the house with small kids, big kids and now adults. I just took them out to shoot it and let them see what it does. Once it's not a toy any longer and the mystery is gone, I've never had an issue.
Just lock it in the bedroom or gun cabinet and never keep one in the chamber. The pumps are pretty good about making it difficult for youngsters to figure out how to operate it these days. You have to push a button to get the pump to even work. Besides, you want to have to rack the round...that's the universal "oh shit" moment for a criminal.
Really good points from Zero. That's true about the shotguns I forgot about is the trick of hitting the bolt release to unlock the pump so you can chamber that first round. For children that aren't familiar with how a pump shotgun works, that can make it pretty difficult to overcome to get a shell in the chamber. And when you take them out to shoot, don't key them into how it operates when you load it for them. Like Zero said, just keep it stored without a round in the chamber. And Zero is right, sliding the pump to rack that first round will pretty much guarantee a criminal will unass from your place and eliminate to resort to having to shoot anyone.
Soonersincefitty
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Absolutely...
You must take the kids out and shoot most, if not all your guns.
First of all, it removes all the mystique, the mystery about them.
Second, get some ear plugs for the tykes and just work them hard. You shoot the guns that are too big for them, but let them, with close supervision shoot the ones they can.
Eventually, they'll come to see they are just tools, really loud, obnoxious tools that really aren't all that.
A gun safe is suggested if you have a large arsenal, 10 or more for example.
That, for thwarting the burglars more than anything.
12 gauge and 16 gauge shotgun shells. 303's for my British Enfield. Man I wish I could shoot a pistol. I have never been able to master it. Wild Bill Hickok, I'm not..........HA!
Soonersincefitty
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Well, we are accustomed to you shooting from the lip...I mean hip.
I'm afraid of you...........Going to hide in my closet...............HA!
Soonersincefitty
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Oh my, no need to fear on me.
That 80K volts I took via shock therapy in the 70s hooked me right up.
Oh my, no need to fear on me.
That 80K volts I took via shock therapy in the 70s hooked me right up.
Oh my, we're talking to Frankenstein...........
Soonersincefitty
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Oh my, we're talking to Frankenstein...........
I know right?
I can vote and pack firearms like...forget about it.
Absolutely...
You must take the kids out and shoot most, if not all your guns.
First of all, it removes all the mystique, the mystery about them.
Second, get some ear plugs for the tykes and just work them hard. You shoot the guns that are too big for them, but let them, with close supervision shoot the ones they can.
Eventually, they'll come to see they are just tools, really loud, obnoxious tools that really aren't all that.
A gun safe is suggested if you have a large arsenal, 10 or more for example.
That, for thwarting the burglars more than anything.
Yep, I took them out and let them shoot all my guns. It actually served 2 purposes (beyond taking the mystery out of the whole gun things):
1. Going to shoot was something they enjoy and we do to go have fun together. It kind of goes together with #2.
2. You never know if THEY will need to use the gun if you aren't around when they get old enough. They should be familiar with it and if you make them a part of the process of defending your house (at the proper age), then not only is it not mysterious and a toy, but they know how to perform.
Nothing worse than getting a call about a kid home alone or with the wife and everyone died because no one could defend themselves when they needed to.
Soonersincefitty
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Exactly!
You hear these wonderful stories every now and then, like of an 8 year old boy grabbing a 38 special and shooting a home invader right between the freakin' eyes in defending himself and his little sister. (Wyoming, as I recall)
Even children, with any casual training at all can call upon their reptilian part of their brain to defend themselves to the death if necessary.
Kids can flat be amazing if they're allowed to be.
With small children in the house, the best defense is a German Shepard puppy. If you raise that pup around the family it will be loyal and will defend you all to the death.
Barking I have to go with BR on this one. Just get a Semi Auto Shotgun and don't put one in the chamber. There is no way your child can chamber it. By the time they are old enough and strong enough to chamber it then they know what it is. This is why a semi auto is safer than a revolver. I would never count on my child not finding it because they will.
Ditto on the 12 gauge pump. Just traded my AK-47 (which I never got around to even taking to a range) to a guy for his new 12 gauge and some cash. It occurred to me that I don't have a whole lot of use for an assault weapon in my house. I'll be dead of old age before the baddies drive up here in their old Toyota pickups. (Too many news shows.)
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