My Post Game Thoughts
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When we were up 10-6, I made the comment in the game thread that it felt like the Clemson game. We started out fast but then it seemed bonehead play calling hit us again and the momentum was flittering away.
At least in the playoff game, we had the halftime lead before getting skunked in the second half.
Bob can coach here for another 100 years and we will not sniff #8. We will be a better program once the Stoops brothers are gone. Briles was every bit the moral joke at Baylor. But, in his pre-game and in-game planning, he had the killer instinct that Bob sorely lacks.
Wish we didn't have our top 2 coaches merely trying to hold onto past glories. They've become fat-catters.
I thoroughly believe that UH was not the better team today. But, they were the better prepared team by a mile.
At least in the playoff game, we had the halftime lead before getting skunked in the second half.
Bob can coach here for another 100 years and we will not sniff #8. We will be a better program once the Stoops brothers are gone. Briles was every bit the moral joke at Baylor. But, in his pre-game and in-game planning, he had the killer instinct that Bob sorely lacks.
Wish we didn't have our top 2 coaches merely trying to hold onto past glories. They've become fat-catters.
I thoroughly believe that UH was not the better team today. But, they were the better prepared team by a mile.
I don't understand how we have never lost to a better team. Every time we lose it's to an inferior team and because of coaching. How can that be possible?
I posted this in the game thread
The Oline looked pretty weak
We only called 13 running plays
The run plays called are predictable 50% of the time
Special teams let us down, I put that solely on the Coaches shoulders
Bad tackling on the defense
Busted assignments on the defense, where was the over the top help?
Mayfield locked on way to often, Mixon was open almost all of the 2nd half. Or he jumped off option 1 to scramble.
Progression countdown in the pocket didn't exists.
Horrible play calling on the defense on 3rd downs, no pressure on the QB.
The Oline has to learn how to run block.
Mayfield has to learn this offense quickly, I don't think he can. He's had 3 years and still, jumps back to a HS QB that won't let the play develop. I know that's his strength but it's not the Offenses strength.
I don't know if he doesn't trust the system, the Oline or the WR??
Mixon and Perine have the most talent of anyone on the team but 6 carries each??Riley you should be better then that.
Discipline, Discipline, Discipline. The most undisciplined player on the team is Mayfield. I know I'm going to get blasted but watch what could have happened, if he would run the plays called.
Snap, one, two, pass
Snap one, two, take two sidesteps throw. He turns his back to the line at least 10% of the plays.
Sure he hit his passes the 1st half but he took off way to often, before the play had developed or before containment broke down.
The Oline looked pretty weak
We only called 13 running plays
The run plays called are predictable 50% of the time
Special teams let us down, I put that solely on the Coaches shoulders
Bad tackling on the defense
Busted assignments on the defense, where was the over the top help?
Mayfield locked on way to often, Mixon was open almost all of the 2nd half. Or he jumped off option 1 to scramble.
Progression countdown in the pocket didn't exists.
Horrible play calling on the defense on 3rd downs, no pressure on the QB.
The Oline has to learn how to run block.
Mayfield has to learn this offense quickly, I don't think he can. He's had 3 years and still, jumps back to a HS QB that won't let the play develop. I know that's his strength but it's not the Offenses strength.
I don't know if he doesn't trust the system, the Oline or the WR??
Mixon and Perine have the most talent of anyone on the team but 6 carries each??Riley you should be better then that.
Discipline, Discipline, Discipline. The most undisciplined player on the team is Mayfield. I know I'm going to get blasted but watch what could have happened, if he would run the plays called.
Snap, one, two, pass
Snap one, two, take two sidesteps throw. He turns his back to the line at least 10% of the plays.
Sure he hit his passes the 1st half but he took off way to often, before the play had developed or before containment broke down.
Yes you did make that comment in the game thread early, and you were right on the money fortworth!!!
I can't agree with you 100% on the part I bolded though. While I do agree that Bob will never get another national title at OU, I also don't assume OU will be better once the Stoops brothers are gone. It's a dice roll. Does OU want to be content with winning 10 games a year, winning conference titles, but really have almost no chance at winning a national title?? Or does OU want to take a chance, hire an up and coming motivated coach that can propel the program back to national titles, but there is that chance OU could also sink down into the 90s funk if they make bad hires??
Some are so afraid and scared of the 90s, that they are willing to accept sustained success at a certain level to prevent a sink to the 90s, even if it means they are trading away the chance at attaining national titles again. It's the typical risk-vs-reward scenario.
While I agree OU was the more TALENTED team, I think it's hard to argue that Houston was the better TEAM today. Houston was no doubt the better prepared and better motivated team today. It's almost as if Bob and OU came into this game thinking they could just walk away with a win without really exposing much of their offensive playbook like they could get away with against the UTEPs or San Diego States of the college football world.
I think Bob would make a fine elder statesman, perhaps as a special athletic representative to the donors. He is good at appearances at the other sports, and he supports the overall athletic program of OU.
But, his teams are not prepared in a way that is necessary to win a national title. They haven't been in years. We had teams that had some great players, three first rounder type teams, and we still couldn't win the big one. There is always a crispness or preparedness lacking. We are now like a Mack Brown Texas or Bo Michigan team, or perhaps Hayden Fry Iowa team, one loss is a great year, two losses was a good year.
But, his teams are not prepared in a way that is necessary to win a national title. They haven't been in years. We had teams that had some great players, three first rounder type teams, and we still couldn't win the big one. There is always a crispness or preparedness lacking. We are now like a Mack Brown Texas or Bo Michigan team, or perhaps Hayden Fry Iowa team, one loss is a great year, two losses was a good year.
My guess is that they will let Bob stay until he is 80 yrs old if he wants. He will be the Paterno or Bowden of OU football.
This was Houston's bowl game right out of the chute. At home, large crowd, a marquee matchup. Everything they could've dreamed of. With their schedule (their toughest remaining competition are games with Navy and Tulsa), UH had a solid chance to have an undefeated season if they took care of business against OU. They were clearly fired up for OU and they were popping our players and energized.
I watched the Baylor game last night and their passing attack was mostly the quick pop slants 3-5 yards downfield that turned into first downs opening up their running game, decreasing the burden on their OL to pass protect, and creating chaos and stress on their defenders. I was wondering in our game why we weren't similarly taking advantage of what their defense was willing to give us.
I watched the Baylor game last night and their passing attack was mostly the quick pop slants 3-5 yards downfield that turned into first downs opening up their running game, decreasing the burden on their OL to pass protect, and creating chaos and stress on their defenders. I was wondering in our game why we weren't similarly taking advantage of what their defense was willing to give us.
Hey Billy.
Just like there are political term limits, I believe there should be similar in sports coaching/managing to avoid most of the "resting on their laurels" performances. With the significant talent infusion at OU, we should expect better than the 1-2 "dog performances"/bowl blowups annually to inferior/similarly talented teams.
I remember the great baseball administrator Branch Ricky who in the 1920's and later would trade off his stars once they reached age 30 for younger acquisitions to keep the team well stocked and energized. He knew what he was doing.
Oh well, just my opinion.
I believe, for the most part, the field talent is there. It's perhaps the sideline talent that does not match the former.
I agree & disgree. UH was indeed better prepared but there was no doubt that the Cougars were indeed the better team today in every phase of the game. Every phase. We got our butts handed to us and while it isn't any fun, I give props to the Cougars. They out coached us, out played us, and they physically kicked some Sooner ass today.
You think UT was better than OU last year and in other recent years? How 'bout those Baylor losses under Briles? And, there are many others during Bob's tenure. We have lost to teams that were better prepared, not with better field talent though, imho.
It seems that "dog losses" like today are more habit under Bob than the occasional hiccup. I will say, there is nothing like an embarrassing loss to elicit vitriol.
I agree, they were better...TODAY. They appeared to be playing for something.
Bingo. And whomever said Mayfield was the most undisciplined player on the team is correct.
You show enough TV highlights of a kid dancing out of the pocket, almost exclusively, then it should be no surprise that the kid is gonna be overly encouraged to dance.
But it's RILEY'S FAULT for not reining him in; Baker's the kid, Riley is the Coach. Period.
Back to the original point: I can think of no WR bubble screens or slants. 1 total pass targeted (it was caught) thrown to our joint #2 WRs - Mead and Miller (to Miller late). Targeted ONCE?!?!? It was all seemingly Mayfield drawing defenders into the pocket and seeing what magic could result from his ensuing escapability. That Riley never insisted on quick passes to establish a rhythm before Baker engaged in his dance-off is on Riley, and ultimately Bob to sit his ass down and tell him he's now hurting us with that BS.
TODAY is all that matters. For today is now all year. If by some miracle OU turns things around and ends up on the buble birth of a playoff invite, this loss will hang over the program big time. Even if they win out going forward. Why? Because I suspect that barring injury of Ward, UH will win out as well and go undefeated. There will be no way that a panel of people will give the nod to OU over UH. So your TODAY, is not really today. It's at least for this season and actually until OU faces them again and wins. It is what it is.
We're out of our element in the 3-4. And Lincoln Riley called the game like we were playing some scrubs.
Bet some of yall mouth breathers are missing Sanchez now.
Bet some of yall mouth breathers are missing Sanchez now.
One day, one game has chop-blocked all good expectations for this team for me. And those expectations were tempered by what I saw as a tougher schedule with an OU team not as good as the year before....and especially having to play a Houston team in the opener with as much to play for as any Houston team since the Bill Yeoman years. Any talk about Houston be unworthy for Big 12 membership was blown away yesterday.
My worst concerns were actualized:
OU had to play against a great dual threat quarterback and once again, had no answers for containing him.
Quality and depth of the wide receiver corps lacking.
An offensive line that was in need of rebuilding could not answer the call. Darlington and Kasitati have not been replaced adequately. This line got flat out whipped and played poorly.
Mayfield is on a path to suffering another injury.
The defense is not good, not championship caliber and losing Tapper, Bond, Striker, Sanchez, Lindley took its toll.
This 2016 team is not going to be as fortunate as last year's team. This team will have to face top notch QB's (Houston, Ohio State, OSU, Baylor).....something the 2015 team did not have to do.
The 2015 season was for me, a mirage. OU had a nice season and was able to pad Stoops' resume as a hall of fame coach, but the Clemson ass whipping revealed to me how much OU benefited from the quarterback injuries at Baylor, TCU and OSU...and how much of a gap there was between OU and teams like Alabama and Clemson. That gap seemed to widen yesterday.
Another year of preseason hype and declarations followed by less than desired results. I will enjoy any and every win OU has and when OU loses, I'll yawn and find a movie to watch.
My worst concerns were actualized:
OU had to play against a great dual threat quarterback and once again, had no answers for containing him.
Quality and depth of the wide receiver corps lacking.
An offensive line that was in need of rebuilding could not answer the call. Darlington and Kasitati have not been replaced adequately. This line got flat out whipped and played poorly.
Mayfield is on a path to suffering another injury.
The defense is not good, not championship caliber and losing Tapper, Bond, Striker, Sanchez, Lindley took its toll.
This 2016 team is not going to be as fortunate as last year's team. This team will have to face top notch QB's (Houston, Ohio State, OSU, Baylor).....something the 2015 team did not have to do.
The 2015 season was for me, a mirage. OU had a nice season and was able to pad Stoops' resume as a hall of fame coach, but the Clemson ass whipping revealed to me how much OU benefited from the quarterback injuries at Baylor, TCU and OSU...and how much of a gap there was between OU and teams like Alabama and Clemson. That gap seemed to widen yesterday.
Another year of preseason hype and declarations followed by less than desired results. I will enjoy any and every win OU has and when OU loses, I'll yawn and find a movie to watch.
CT, when you talk about how much of a gap there is between OU and a program like Alabama. I think the outcomes of both of their games yesterday paints the picture. Alabama really lost more talent off last years team than OU did off theirs. But judging by both teams performances yesterday, which team is OBVIOUSLY better at reloading year to year??? Alabama by a mile!!! Alabama just destroyed USC. Alabama just reloaded at the positions that lost starters from last year, and they just keep on rolling. While when OU loses some players, it seems it takes an entire season worth of experience for the OU players to finally get up to the level OU needs them to play at. That is coaching. Period.
And yes, I do concur that last season was a bit of a mirage. The KEY tests last year were going to be Baylor, TCU, and OSU. Those games never turned into the tests everyone expected, because all those teams had lost their starting QBs. So I do think that gave many a warm and fuzzy feeling about the defense that really was being based on wins against depleted opponents.
And yes, I do concur that last season was a bit of a mirage. The KEY tests last year were going to be Baylor, TCU, and OSU. Those games never turned into the tests everyone expected, because all those teams had lost their starting QBs. So I do think that gave many a warm and fuzzy feeling about the defense that really was being based on wins against depleted opponents.
Alabama is and has been the template for which all teams should incorporate....but that template is made by winning big games and winning within the nation's strongest conference for years and years....and for most teams such a scenario simply cannot happen.
At 67 years, I feel that I may have seen my last championship at OU. I feel there will be more winning seasons and some great games, but I believe OU's success has a ceiling that can't be exceeded. The three best teams since the last championship were the 2003, 2004 and 2008 teams. Each of those teams lost to better teams (LSU, USC and Florida) in the postseason.....and since the 2008 season, OU really has not put forth a monster team.
Good gawd - can we stick to the facts please? G. Ward Jr.: 18 rushes for 1 yard.
His "dual" had nothing to do with beating us; that was one area our D actually did good. Our secondary and lack of pass rush did us in, but with Sanchez, Tapper, Striker and Bond all gone, this is somewhat expected against a QB who tore FSU up.
The real problem, as touched on above, is Baker rushing 13 times for minus 1 yard...and how many other times did he dance out of the pocket but ended up throwing it away?
All off season the brightest new light on the O was supposedly Miller - with both Baker and Bob on record talking him up (Bob specifically said Dede, Miller and then "the others") - and we toss to him freaking once!?!?!? Overall Baker targeted our officially listed #2 WRs ONCE (Mead and Miller), against a pass D that was ranked in the 100s last year. Its not that our #2s dropped balls or passes were inaccurate towards them; they just were never thrown to/"targeted" (except the one time to Miller for a diving 9 yard grab), because Mayfield was trying to create all kinds of time by bailing on the pocket instead of establishing a rhythm by hitting slants and outs. Yes the OL is a prob, but if plays are called that get the ball out of your QB's hands then that helps mitigate your OL's issues.
Biggest problem facing us: RILEY NEEDS TO REIN IN MAYFIELD AND MAKE HIM DEVELOP A RHYTHM.
Well I think Alabama has simply set the standard for developing players and having them as ready as any program in the country for their first live-game college snaps. But this is Saban's 10th season at Alabama, and there just has hardly been ANY drop off in that timespan in regards to rebuilding, reloading, or replacing players that depart/graduate every season. It's just a combination of superior evaluation, superior development, and superior game planning that Saban demands of his staff and players. Sure Alabama has the advantage of being right in the middle of prolly the most talent rich recruiting grounds in the country. But plenty of programs are also located in that region. And Alabama wasn't the monolith they are now prior to Saban's arrival. It's just flat out superior coaching. I have no clue what Saban's secrets are to achieve this, but I'm quite certain Bob hasn't figured out that secret either.
And I'm starting to share your thoughts that OU has topped out with Bob Stoops. I'm not going to throw the towel in on this season after just one game, but I think overall if you look at the recent years of OU football, a trend has developed. OU with Bob will always be a program that can average about 10 wins a season, and generally compete for conference titles, and make a playoff spot from time to time when the stars and planets align during the season. But anything beyond that I think is VERY unlikely to happen.
We all know pre-season rankings are a beauty contest and based off the year before. Alabama has studs waiting to play on the bench. Parity doesn't affect that team. I picked us to win it all, but I wasn't seriously counting on it. Houston was better yesterday and maybe better period. The rankings mean nothing early in the season. Disappointing loss but the next few weeks will tell us what this team is made of.
What the 2017 commits and recruits think is concerning for sure.
What the 2017 commits and recruits think is concerning for sure.
Houston was the better team yesterday so I give them all the credit in the world. With that being said though I think most fans (including myself ) get a little frustrated when we see what took place yesterday on the field. It was frustrating as all get outs on almost every level. Our OL got pushed around, the secondary had coverage issues, we didn't tackle worth a crap in that first half for sure and quite honestly we should have felt fortunate as fans that our D somehow forced 4 field goals instead of TD's. Had they not Houston would have blown out OU.
I am concerend about the rest of the season and if OU loses to TOSU this just might turn into a very long season because with TCU and Texas to follow this team could very well be looking at 1-4. IF that happens does this team throw the towell in for the rest of the season and if they do will we see more folks backing Stoops at that point. This team did not look well prepared yesterday in my opinion. I feared this game because I know in the past our team we all love has struggled against good opening opponents.
Just my opinion but I think Houston showed a great blue print of how to beat OU. Its just a matter of how many more teams on the schedule has the talent to take advantage of that. La Monroe , Kansas or Iowa State doesn't have the talent but the rest do.
I am concerend about the rest of the season and if OU loses to TOSU this just might turn into a very long season because with TCU and Texas to follow this team could very well be looking at 1-4. IF that happens does this team throw the towell in for the rest of the season and if they do will we see more folks backing Stoops at that point. This team did not look well prepared yesterday in my opinion. I feared this game because I know in the past our team we all love has struggled against good opening opponents.
Just my opinion but I think Houston showed a great blue print of how to beat OU. Its just a matter of how many more teams on the schedule has the talent to take advantage of that. La Monroe , Kansas or Iowa State doesn't have the talent but the rest do.
The one thing I have noticed is the TOTAL lack of fire!! I'm an old school swagger guy....You KNEW when Barry's teams came on the field, they were there to compete and smash you in the mouth!! Bob's teams have been VERY soft for years....They can talk and do their dances, but they don't seem to back it up on the field. Yesterday, how many times were Houston RE's wide open and beyond OUr coverage? They plain stunk up the place!! Where's the pass rush? Sure they contained Ward from running, but they either need to get to the QB or they need to have the greatest coverage in CF. We have neither! Don't want to talk Offense....another meltdown with no adjustments..PERIOD!Well I think Alabama has simply set the standard for developing players and having them as ready as any program in the country for their first live-game college snaps. But this is Saban's 10th season at Alabama, and there just has hardly been ANY drop off in that timespan in regards to rebuilding, reloading, or replacing players that depart/graduate every season. It's just a combination of superior evaluation, superior development, and superior game planning that Saban demands of his staff and players. Sure Alabama has the advantage of being right in the middle of prolly the most talent rich recruiting grounds in the country. But plenty of programs are also located in that region. And Alabama wasn't the monolith they are now prior to Saban's arrival. It's just flat out superior coaching. I have no clue what Saban's secrets are to achieve this, but I'm quite certain Bob hasn't figured out that secret either.
And I'm starting to share your thoughts that OU has topped out with Bob Stoops. I'm not going to throw the towel in on this season after just one game, but I think overall if you look at the recent years of OU football, a trend has developed. OU with Bob will always be a program that can average about 10 wins a season, and generally compete for conference titles, and make a playoff spot from time to time when the stars and planets align during the season. But anything beyond that I think is VERY unlikely to happen.
In coaching, it's called having that "killer instinct".Well I think Alabama has simply set the standard for developing players and having them as ready as any program in the country for their first live-game college snaps. But this is Saban's 10th season at Alabama, and there just has hardly been ANY drop off in that timespan in regards to rebuilding, reloading, or replacing players that depart/graduate every season. It's just a combination of superior evaluation, superior development, and superior game planning that Saban demands of his staff and players. Sure Alabama has the advantage of being right in the middle of prolly the most talent rich recruiting grounds in the country. But plenty of programs are also located in that region. And Alabama wasn't the monolith they are now prior to Saban's arrival. It's just flat out superior coaching. I have no clue what Saban's secrets are to achieve this, but I'm quite certain Bob hasn't figured out that secret either.
And I'm starting to share your thoughts that OU has topped out with Bob Stoops. I'm not going to throw the towel in on this season after just one game, but I think overall if you look at the recent years of OU football, a trend has developed. OU with Bob will always be a program that can average about 10 wins a season, and generally compete for conference titles, and make a playoff spot from time to time when the stars and planets align during the season. But anything beyond that I think is VERY unlikely to happen.
Briles had it in abundance as he was locked in to building something special and lasting at Baylor. He wanted to build championship teams in Waco. He loved smashing "soft" Bob in the mouth and relished the opportunity. His game plan on offense was predicated on positive yardage plays to wear down the opponent. Take what the defense was giving, pound the rock for short distance first downs, and then go over the top with their passing once the defense became desperate. If that meant 3-5 yard slant plays all day long, so be it. This utilized his entire receiving corps to get them valued game experience (blocking and receiving) and they got used to getting game contact thus getting them involved in the flow and loosening them up.
Briles was a flat out offensive genius and his like-minded son should be a hot commodity should he leave Waco.
To a lesser than Briles extent, Patterson at TCU has that killer instinct too. Like Baylor, TCU has inferior talent to OU.
Just like Mack Brown, I truly believe Bob knows with our talent we can win 9-10 games annually, ensuring a bowl game, and perhaps conference championships. Natties are a program rarity and I believe he is content with what that level of conference success brings him. "Big game Bob" is dead and buried, imo. "9-10 win Bob" is what remains.
At OU, ANY head coach with a modicum of brains is ensured a minimum of 8 win seasons. With that killer instinct, the sky's the limit.
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You guys ragging on BStoops need to be very careful this week. Do not take an enema of any kind. Otherwise, you'll turn invisible. And no colonoscopies for at least a month.
More and more, I find myself in disagreement with Plaino. I gave up on Bob winning another national title several years ago. We don't play like a title team. We are a constant flow of mistakes, and a complete lack of dominance, unless we are playing a bad team. We lost each of the BCS games we have been in--lost because we didn't have the character.
Your opinion, as always, is appreciated.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. What seems to be a "10" to one might come across as a "4" to another.
Appears the team was given its annual colonoscopy - this time by UH - on the field yesterday. It exposed our tumors.
Ward had a net rushing output of a single yard but because he IS a dual action QB, that means he can also pass even when his running is contained. Him being a run-pass QB had everything to do with the game 's outcome. Houston would not have won the game without his passing, which was aided by the threat of his running.
As I pointed out before, Mayfield needs to play the system. Here's the problem, Riley is a spread OC but he has not implemented the Spread "junk routes". I pointed this out in another thread. OU hasn't developed, the "junk routes", that TT, OSU, Baylor, and TCU have made their living off of. Junk Routes can hide bad Olines, average WR's and an average arm. Give me 3 decent WR, with average hands and I can get 300-400 yards passing almost every game. I can setup the running game with the huge splits at the line.
UH gave OU WR a 15-18 foot buffer but we seldom threw on third and 4 yards. Sure we should be able to get 4 yards with Mixon and Perine but not when the Defensive Coordinator has 7 in the box and the safeties are crashing. Plus, the Center drops back instead off getting a push. He looked like he was in a pass blocking half the time, on run plays. Mayfield has to learn Timing routes, Mayfield has to commit to the system, Mayfield has a a knack of making things happen but that's backyard football, not D1
Now look at Houston sideline or Clemson or Baylors. Every kickoff or punt they are locked arm in arm cheering on, the team. Now look at OU, Evens is getting roasted for not spying Ward but 6 plays later, he spies Ward and doesn't pickup coverage, out of the backfield. He just got his ass chewed for not spying Ward. Coaching????
Trust me they have prepped for this offense all summer, this is what will will see against tOSU, only better. Everyone giving the CB a hard time, hell, they are on a island with no over the top help, against a taller speedster.
Now anyone calling Mayfield a "Dual Threat" QB is wrong. OU doesn't call a designed QB run 6-8 plays a game, OU doesn't call the Option Read. He's a scrambler that makes things happen that are not designed.
UH gave OU WR a 15-18 foot buffer but we seldom threw on third and 4 yards. Sure we should be able to get 4 yards with Mixon and Perine but not when the Defensive Coordinator has 7 in the box and the safeties are crashing. Plus, the Center drops back instead off getting a push. He looked like he was in a pass blocking half the time, on run plays. Mayfield has to learn Timing routes, Mayfield has to commit to the system, Mayfield has a a knack of making things happen but that's backyard football, not D1
Now look at Houston sideline or Clemson or Baylors. Every kickoff or punt they are locked arm in arm cheering on, the team. Now look at OU, Evens is getting roasted for not spying Ward but 6 plays later, he spies Ward and doesn't pickup coverage, out of the backfield. He just got his ass chewed for not spying Ward. Coaching????
Trust me they have prepped for this offense all summer, this is what will will see against tOSU, only better. Everyone giving the CB a hard time, hell, they are on a island with no over the top help, against a taller speedster.
Now anyone calling Mayfield a "Dual Threat" QB is wrong. OU doesn't call a designed QB run 6-8 plays a game, OU doesn't call the Option Read. He's a scrambler that makes things happen that are not designed.
