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Did you know that Donald Trump & Betsy Devos his head of the Department of Education have a new guidance on Title IX sex assault investigations which requires a higher standard of evidence for women against men who have been accused.

This is Trump repealing the Obama Title IX strict rules.

This will really help Rodney Anderson to prevent having to have a Title IX case when the evidence is frivolous.

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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...x-assault-investigations-prompts-suit-n812521
 
bullmarket said:
Did you know that Donald Trump & Betsy Devos his head of the Department of Education have a new guidance on Title IX sex assault investigations which requires a higher standard of evidence for women against men who have been accused.

This is Trump repealing the Obama Title IX strict rules.

This will really help Rodney Anderson to prevent having to have a Title IX case when the evidence is frivolous.

LINK......
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...x-assault-investigations-prompts-suit-n812521
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It may be good news where Title IX is concerned, but Anderson's problem isn't a Title IX issue. It will be an issue with the Norman Police and the Cleveland County DA. Rape is a felony in Oklahoma and every other state. Any player found guilty of a rape type felony isn't going to be around long enough for Title IX to get them kicked out of school etc.
 
soonerinlOUisiana said:
This is great news period. Prior to the new guide lines, the long held concept of "innocent until proven guilty" became "guilty upon accusation." I have a feeling the Anderson case is going to fold like a cheap suit.
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What sucks is everyone accused of a crime is immediately burdened by the cost of good representation (if they care about their innocence).
There should be some onus on the DA's office to compensate for the wrongly accused.
 
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bullmarket said:
Did you know that Donald Trump & Betsy Devos his head of the Department of Education have a new guidance on Title IX sex assault investigations which requires a higher standard of evidence for women against men who have been accused.

This is Trump repealing the Obama Title IX strict rules.

This will really help Rodney Anderson to prevent having to have a Title IX case when the evidence is frivolous.

LINK......
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...x-assault-investigations-prompts-suit-n812521
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Don't celebrate yet. The new guidance is being challenged in court.
 
roygbell said:
It may be good news where Title IX is concerned, but Anderson's problem isn't a Title IX issue. It will be an issue with the Norman Police and the Cleveland County DA. Rape is a felony in Oklahoma and every other state. Any player found guilty of a rape type felony isn't going to be around long enough for Title IX to get them kicked out of school etc.
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The Cleveland County DA won't file criminal charges in this case. There's no physical evidence that will be obtainable this long after the alleged incident. The DA would need actual physical evidence to prosecute the case.
 
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Medic007 said:
Don't celebrate yet. The new guidance is being challenged in court.
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It will be in the courts for at least 2 years. This new Title IX guidance will affect Anderson.

This Title IX will stop coeds from screaming RAPE with frivolous evidence like the girl has involving Rodney.

Every change that the Trump administration has made is being challenged in court.
Obama started this Title IX & Trump is repealing most of Obama's programs
 
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Medic007 said:
The Cleveland County DA won't file criminal charges in this case. There's no physical evidence that will be obtainable this long after the alleged incident. The DA would need actual physical evidence to prosecute the case.
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We don't know what physical evidence there might be. So, it might be a little bit premature to suggest that there won't be any physical evidence. I think I will just wait a few more days and until the Norman Police finish their investigation and see what they give to the DA in terms of evidence.

More importantly might be what the plaintiff actually did between November 16th and December 2nd when she filed the VPO. If, she indeed spent her time trying to create some kind of relationship with Anderson that could put her in a very tenuous spot. How can she pursue a relationship with Anderson when she has no memory of what happened that night. Not suggesting it isn't possible, but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

I still can't understand why she went the VPO path instead of just going to the police/DA and filing charges against Anderson. This decision makes no logical sense. I think any lawyer would have advised her to contact the police and DA, instead of filing a VPO. By going the VPO route she just laid her identity out there for all to see. By filing rape charges she keeps her identity out of the public's eyes.

This whole deal is just a bad deal for both sides. I don't see a win for either party.
 
bullmarket said:
It will be in the courts for at least 2 years. This new Title IX guidance will affect Anderson.

This Title IX will stop coeds from screaming RAPE with frivolous evidence like the girl has involving Rodney.

Every change that the Trump administration has made is being challenged in court.
Obama started this Title IX & Trump is repealing most of Obama's programs
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Bull, do you understand that the changes that the Trump Administration has taken action on were imposed by "letter" to the DOE?

You don't change federal law or rules by a President sending a damn "letter".

Obama effectively changed the guidance to schools by sending, by "letter" imposing a much lower standard of proof that there was a crime committed to justify guilt. All the Trump Administration is doing is reversing the Obama by "letter" changes thereby instituting a higher standard for determining guilt etc.

The difference is Obama thought it was good to use a standard of "we think he is guilty but don't have the evidence to show it" instead of "the preponderance of the evidence shows guilt".
 
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roygbell said:
We don't know what physical evidence there might be. So, it might be a little bit premature to suggest that there won't be any physical evidence. I think I will just wait a few more days and until the Norman Police finish their investigation and see what they give to the DA in terms of evidence.
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There's a reason that rape victims aren't supposed to shower, douche, wash anything, etc. Physical evidence like skin, saliva, sperm, etc is washed away. But what do I know? I'm just some guy making shit up on a message board.
 
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There have been plenty of sexual assault cases that proceed without "physical evidence", most recently the USA Women's National Gymnastics Team that is going on, that involved over 100 minor victims. That being said, this case has the feel of "there might be more to this story"... Once Law Enforcement concludes their initial investigation, it will be very telling if they decide to press charges against Rodney.
 
mokasthunder said:
There have been plenty of sexual assault cases that proceed without "physical evidence", most recently the USA Women's National Gymnastics Team that is going on, that involved over 100 minor victims.
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If you're referring to Dr. Larry Nassar, there's plenty of physical evidence. Hell, he even took video of some of his sexual assaults with a Go Pro.
 
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If you're referring to Dr. Larry Nassar, there's plenty of physical evidence. Hell, he even took video of some of his sexual assaults with a Go Pro.
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Heck, there are even murder convictions based on only circumstantial evidence, and no physical evidence.
 
roygbell said:
Bull, do you understand that the changes that the Trump Administration has taken action on were imposed by "letter" to the DOE?

You don't change federal law or rules by a President sending a damn "letter".

Obama effectively changed the guidance to schools by sending, by "letter" imposing a much lower standard of proof that there was a crime committed to justify guilt. All the Trump Administration is doing is reversing the Obama by "letter" changes thereby instituting a higher standard for determining guilt etc.
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I heard Betsy Devos the new Trump Dept. Of Education head on TV explaining what she was doing. She said many innocent college boys were forced to go through a Title IX hearing when a girl coed screamed rape. She said she was having a new much higher evidence standard to determine guilt. If a coed claimed rape she must have "a high standard of proof for her evidence for the police and the colleges administration.

Up to the time of Betsy Devos;s new higher standard of evidence, if a girl claimed rape the boy had to face a Title IX hearing.

Today the boy only has to have a Title IX hearing if there is a very high standard of evidence as proof.

Big difference between the Obama Title IX rules and the Trump administration's Title IX new rule of evidence by a higher standards of proof.
 
roygbell said:
We don't know what physical evidence there might be. So, it might be a little bit premature to suggest that there won't be any physical evidence. I think I will just wait a few more days and until the Norman Police finish their investigation and see what they give to the DA in terms of evidence.

More importantly might be what the plaintiff actually did between November 16th and December 2nd when she filed the VPO. If, she indeed spent her time trying to create some kind of relationship with Anderson that could put her in a very tenuous spot. How can she pursue a relationship with Anderson when she has no memory of what happened that night. Not suggesting it isn't possible, but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

I still can't understand why she went the VPO path instead of just going to the police/DA and filing charges against Anderson. This decision makes no logical sense. I think any lawyer would have advised her to contact the police and DA, instead of filing a VPO. By going the VPO route she just laid her identity out there for all to see. By filing rape charges she keeps her identity out of the public's eyes.

This whole deal is just a bad deal for both sides. I don't see a win for either party.
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You have made a very important point here. There is a reason that a VPO was filed and not criminal complaint of rape or assault. What is that reason? Yet to be revealed. To me, this would indicate that someone in the police department heard her complaint, determined something significant enough to guide her towards a VPO. VPO is civil not criminal. So far, no criminal charges have been filed as far as I understand. If sexual contact took place, then she made repeated attempts to contact with him without referencing any form of assault then the investigation will lean away from any criminal intent. Every small detail will have merit in this investigation. It will be up to the DA to determine where this goes based on what the investigators find.
 
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Even if the DA does not press charges, David Boren will have the last say. University image has been damaged. There is history for sitting players. RA is not completely innocent. He took a woman drunk out of her mind home by himself. Why?
 
PryorFan said:
Even if the DA does not press charges, David Boren will have the last say. University image has been damaged. There is history for sitting players. RA is not completely innocent. He took a woman drunk out of her mind home by himself. Why?
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If no charges are filed and no assault was perpetrated then why would Boren have reason to punish him? Damaged image? Punish him for talking a drunk girl home? What if it's determined that she was only dropped off at the door? You are voicing the court of public opinion that everyone loathes.
 
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