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With to many small fan bases, to many small TV markets and to many poorly rated TV games there isn’t any way the Big 12 can stay anywhere close to the amount of money of the Big 10 and SEC in the new contracts.

If this analysis on the link is even close the money differences will force OU out of the Big 12. Without OU the Big 12 is not viable for UT.

This also illustrates how the PAC is at an extreme disadvantage.

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B1g west we would dominate. $ec would be much more challenging but either would beat a sinking ship. Gotta wait 3 more years
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The Big 10 gives OU football an easier playoff path, it’s a little more money than the SEC and OU gains some academic benefits too.

When we start adding up the difference in money between the Big 12 and what OU could make by leaving, it’s a no brainer....It’s going to be hundreds of millions in difference over a 20 or more year period of time.
 
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My concern with a Big 10 path is what it does to recruiting. Would we be able to still compete in all the areas we recruit today and get the 4 and 5 star kids...There is no way we could switch to primarily recruiting the Big 10 country and stay elite, IMO.
 
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Patriotgame said:
My concern with a Big 10 path is what it does to recruiting. Would we be able to still compete in all the areas we recruit today and get the 4 and 5 star kids...There is no way we could switch to primarily recruiting the Big 10 country and stay elite, IMO.
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OU would still sign most of its recruits from in and near Oklahoma.

As it is more elite Texas players are now signing with SEC programs.

Not including Florida, OU has only very rarely recruited very well from the deep south.

OU needs to find other areas where we can cherry pick a few recruits from.

But more than recruiting can OU really afford to turn down the amount of money the B1G offers and let our facilities slide downhill in the coming decades....That would harm our recruiting from anywhere!
 
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SEC for me. We are a southern state and shouldn’t be mixed with a bunch of Yankees.
 
B1G would be the last place I'd want to be for recruiting.

Even the PAC would be a better option, with that wide open west coast talent. The football atmosphere is not too desirable, however.

Might as well join the SEC. Gives you the best chance with the biggest player pool in the country, and if the playoff moves to 8 (which seems inevitable at some point), the SEC will probably get 3 teams in anyway.
 
Sooner Showtime said:
B1G would be the last place I'd want to be for recruiting.

Even the PAC would be a better option, with that wide open west coast talent. The football atmosphere is not too desirable, however.

Might as well join the SEC. Gives you the best chance with the biggest player pool in the country, and if the playoff moves to 8 (which seems inevitable at some point), the SEC will probably get 3 teams in anyway.
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The majority of OU's recruits are always going to come from Oklahoma and nearby states.

The projections on the link say OU would make more money in the Big 10 than in the SEC and many, many millions more than in the PAC.

For recruiting reasons OU needs top shelf money to keep its facilities among the very best in the nation.

OU would suffer more defeates in the SEC than elsewhere else causing an erosion of OU fan attendance and ticket revenue.
 
Heart makes a good point about the money factor and the supposed ease of success playing more northern teams. They will always have a superstar or two from OH, PA or MI. Not near the numbers of proven beasts over the last 20 years. $ec is OUr destiny
 
Soonerheart said:
The majority of OU's recruits are always going to come from Oklahoma and nearby states.

The projections on the link say OU would make more money in the Big 10 than in the SEC and many, many millions more than in the PAC.

For recruiting reasons OU needs top shelf money to keep its facilities among the very best in the nation.

OU would suffer more defeates in the SEC than elsewhere else causing an erosion of OU fan attendance and ticket revenue.
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If your going to be the best, you have to beat the best. Sliding to the Big 10 because it’s an easier road to a NC isn’t going to fix anything in our football arena.
 
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If your going to be the best, you have to beat the best. Sliding to the Big 10 because it’s an easier road to a NC isn’t going to fix anything in our football arena.
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Since OU has never had great continued success recruiting from the SEC area moving to that conference isn’t going to fix anything about our football program especially when our win loss record would not likely be as good.

The B1G would provide OU with an upgraded schedule and according to the projections on the link a significant amount more money over time than the SEC that would allow OU to better upgrade its athletic facilities which will help OU recruit.
 
The money between the SEC and B1G is negligible.

We sign more players from the SEC than we do from B1G country. We've been getting some kids from the DC area, but that's not really in the heart of that conference. Joining the SEC would only increase our exposure to players in that region, and help reinforce the state of Texas. Also, being the westernmost point of the SEC can do nothing but strengthen our appeal to Cali kids.

Not to mention that it makes more sense from a fan travel perspective, along with geography continuity.

Like I said, when the playoff moves to 8, and if the SEC becomes a 16-team league, they are getting 3 teams in more often than not.
 
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Sooner Showtime said:
The money between the SEC and B1G is negligible.

We sign more players from the SEC than we do from B1G country. We've been getting some kids from the DC area, but that's not really in the heart of that conference. Joining the SEC would only increase our exposure to players in that region, and help reinforce the state of Texas. Also, being the westernmost point of the SEC can do nothing but strengthen our appeal to Cali kids.

Not to mention that it makes more sense from a fan travel perspective, along with geography continuity.

Like I said, when the playoff moves to 8, and if the SEC becomes a 16-team league, they are getting 3 teams in more often than not.
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The money difference is not “negligible”.

It’s enough money over several years to build OU a new softball or baseball stadium...Longer term it’s enough money to help OU build a new basketball arena.

Currently OU doesn’t have the money for any of these desires on the wish list.
 
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If OU starts losing 3 or 4 games in most seasons playing a SEC schedule, OU would eventually see a big drop in ticket demand and lower donations.

This is another reason why the money difference is not “negligible”.
 
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iasooner1 said:
Nothing can be done but posturing for the next 3 years
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That’s true for the fans.

It’s not everything but I believe it needs to be understood that the maximization of our resources over time has a very direct correlation for the products of athletic competition.

More money allows OU to attract and retain great coaches and keep our facilities at near the top. Winning more games keeps the ticket and donation revenue at higher levels. Having these things at near the highest levels helps our recruiting. This takes money from all sources.

Riley spoke just this last week about how important resources were to the football program.
 
Soonerheart said:
If OU starts losing 3 or 4 games in most seasons playing a SEC schedule, OU would eventually see a big drop in ticket demand and lower donations.

This is another reason why the money difference is not “negligible”.
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Yeah, sure is hurting A&M isn't it? If you can't get by on the kind of money the SEC is distributing, then you need to reevaluate your budget.

If you're losing 3 or 4 games a season at Oklahoma, probably time for a coaching change. Recruiting would improve with a move to the SEC. The majority of the elite talent wants to play there.

A&M is traditionally garbage, and yet their recruiting got a huge boost from SEC affiliation.
 
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Yeah, sure is hurting A&M isn't it? If you can't get by on the kind of money the SEC is distributing, then you need to reevaluate your budget.

If you're losing 3 or 4 games a season at Oklahoma, probably time for a coaching change. Recruiting would improve with a move to the SEC. The majority of the elite talent wants to play there.

A&M is traditionally garbage, and yet their recruiting got a huge boost from SEC affiliation.
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A&M has always done less with more than almost anyone else and they aren’t winning any SEC titles.

OU’s donor base is nowhere near as large or wealthy. There are lots of rumors about A&M and SEC cheating.

Has the SEC elevated Missouri or Arkansas...No.

The mistake that the OU to the SEC people make IMO is they seem to think OU is going to suddenly start recruiting enough players from the SEC area to win a national title when there is no evidence to suggest this would be true.

More so than California and some east coast locations the great talent from that part of nation has a strong tendency to stay close to home.

More losses in the SEC can only hurt OU’s recruiting and they are going to occur regardless of who is coaching OU.

The OU administration knows they have budget problems that needs every revenue stream that can be taped.
 
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No, what hurts recruiting is going 0-7 in playoff / BCS games and getting blown out against SEC teams while playing in a conference that gets a bad reputation for defense and the NFL draft.

In the vast majority of situations, you win national championships by recruiting at an elite level. Better players and depth are crucial, and we still lack those things on defense.

And you don't think playing in the SEC elevates the perception of a school in the mind of athletes? After OU & Texas, the 3rd highest team in the Big 12 comes in at #28 in Rivals & 24/7 (interestingly enough, different teams in WVU & TCU respectively). Kentucky and Miss St. would be #3 in the Big 12 in both recruiting services! That's just sad, frankly.

OU in the SEC isn't just about "suddenly recruiting enough players from the SEC area". We already recruit heavily in the SEC. We get a decent number of athletes from FL, LA, MS, etc. A move to the SEC is about having a better shot at elite talent on the defensive side of the ball, especially in Texas. Yes, those kids want to play in the SEC right now. Look no further than the NFL draft.

It's apparent we won't agree on this. You seem to think playing in cold environments, being an outlier in a northeastern conference, destabilizing our Texas recruiting base (ESPECIALLY if Texas is not included), that battles with the likes of Rutgers, Maryland, Minnesota, Purdue, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, Wisconsin are going to get the donations rolling and the fanbase excited, and that following the Nebraska road map is a path to the top of the CFB mountain.
 
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[QUOTE="Soonerheart, post: 3051422, member: 7394"

If OU starts losing 3 or 4 games in most seasons playing a SEC schedule

Isn't this the fear for a lot of Sooner fans? Holy cow!
 
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Sooner Showtime said:
No, what hurts recruiting is going 0-7 in playoff / BCS games and getting blown out against SEC teams while playing in a conference that gets a bad reputation for defense and the NFL draft.

In the vast majority of situations, you win national championships by recruiting at an elite level. Better players and depth are crucial, and we still lack those things on defense.

And you don't think playing in the SEC elevates the perception of a school in the mind of athletes? After OU & Texas, the 3rd highest team in the Big 12 comes in at #28 in Rivals & 24/7 (interestingly enough, different teams in WVU & TCU respectively). Kentucky and Miss St. would be #3 in the Big 12 in both recruiting services! That's just sad, frankly.

OU in the SEC isn't just about "suddenly recruiting enough players from the SEC area". We already recruit heavily in the SEC. We get a decent number of athletes from FL, LA, MS, etc. A move to the SEC is about having a better shot at elite talent on the defensive side of the ball, especially in Texas. Yes, those kids want to play in the SEC right now. Look no further than the NFL draft.

It's apparent we won't agree on this. You seem to think playing in cold environments, being an outlier in a northeastern conference, destabilizing our Texas recruiting base (ESPECIALLY if Texas is not included), that battles with the likes of Rutgers, Maryland, Minnesota, Purdue, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, Wisconsin are going to get the donations rolling and the fanbase excited, and that following the Nebraska road map is a path to the top of the CFB mountain.
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OU will never see a great recruiting boom by joining the SEC.

When OU has a compliance department that turns in OU football players for eating too much pasta it’s pretty naive to believe the OU administration would support a move to the SEC where OU would be forced to cheat at unacceptable levels just to keep its head above water.

PS: On edit....Most likely Texas would prefer the B1G for money and academic reasons which OU administrators would like as well.
 
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Oklabama said:
[QUOTE="Soonerheart, post: 3051422, member: 7394"

If OU starts losing 3 or 4 games in most seasons playing a SEC schedule

Isn't this the fear for a lot of Sooner fans? Holy cow!
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In the SEC OU would have seasons with more losses than we see in the Big 12.

With that goes a share of ticket sales and donations and the revenue that OU needs for competitive salaries, facilities and more.

More losses are not going to help OU's revenue.
 
Soonerheart said:
In the SEC OU would have seasons with more losses than we see in the Big 12.

With that goes a share of ticket sales and donations and the revenue that OU needs for competitive salaries, facilities and more.

More losses are not going to help OU's revenue.
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So if the B12 falls apart, which is apt to happen, are you thinking that we should join the same conference as Tulsa? Surely we will dominate. I know the answer so don’t burst my balls. But my point is why not be apart of what is considered the best conference in the land?
 
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This move will not be just about sports!

It will be made with the entire university in mind and that’s where the Big Ten is the clear leader.

People need to stop thinking this is only about football and start thinking much more like a university president and the BOR who will prioritize the universities academics and research.
 
I think we should make the Big 12 stronger by adding teams. Like maybe the 2 AZ teams. In my opinion the Sec conf. would be our down fall. I do not think we could match their money on recruiting. Case in point look at ARK and MO.
 
Here's my take on Nebraska and their lack of success for several years. Under Osborne, Nebraska took in a lot of partial qualifiers when it was still the Big 8. The Big 12 limited those partial qualifiers. Without the unlimited partial qualifiers that they used to bring in, Nebraska just can't get enough kids convinced to go to school in Lincoln. I have lived in Nebraska for my entire life, I absolutely hate the city of Lincoln. Pain in the butt to drive in that city.
 
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Nebraska’s (the State, not the university) golden ticket has long become the College World Series and will most likely remain so until at least 2035. Omaha hosts 350k fans for about ten days a year during the series. That’s a lot of smack. The Huskers aren’t going to challenge the CWS again unless the football program gets back to winning 10 games a year, every year. What’s the chances of that happening!!
 
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Oklabama said:
Nebraska’s (the State, not the university) golden ticket has long become the College World Series and will most likely remain so until at least 2035. Omaha hosts 350k fans for about ten days a year during the series. That’s a lot of smack. The Huskers aren’t going to challenge the CWS again unless the football program gets back to winning 10 games a year, every year. What’s the chances of that happening!!
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Omaha does a great job with the College World Series year in and year out. Omaha has also done a good job of getting other events into the city. They've had Olympic qualifying swimming events and have hosted NCAA tournament games as well.
 
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Here's my take on Nebraska and their lack of success for several years. Under Osborne, Nebraska took in a lot of partial qualifiers when it was still the Big 8. The Big 12 limited those partial qualifiers. Without the unlimited partial qualifiers that they used to bring in, Nebraska just can't get enough kids convinced to go to school in Lincoln. I have lived in Nebraska for my entire life, I absolutely hate the city of Lincoln. Pain in the butt to drive in that city.
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The partial qualifiers are part but only part of the Nebraska decline.

The walkon restrictions and PED testing also had big impacts but so has several poor coaching hires.

Frost has improved Neb recruiting. Finding a decent QB would have helped Neb win several close games this past season.

Places like OU, Alabama and USC don't win big without good coaches. Why would Neb be any different ?
 
Oklahoma is a great melting pot of various cultures and ethnic backgrounds but the map on the link indicates the 2 largest population centers of Oklahoma are more like Big Ten states than the SEC or most PAC states

It's on slide 10 on this link
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Soonerheart said:
The partial qualifiers are part but only part of the Nebraska decline.

The walkon restrictions and PED testing also had big impacts but so has several poor coaching hires.

Frost has improved Neb recruiting. Finding a decent QB would have helped Neb win several close games this past season.

Places like OU, Alabama and USC don't win big without good coaches. Why would Neb be any different ?
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What you say is true, but losing the partial qualifiers was the biggest blow.
 
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