Jim Knowled
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Likely using it to get a pay raise at osu. If they win he will likely get one anyway.
Never know though.
I still remember how stout the Pokes D was when he was there.
I can’t imagine why he would leave Ohio State for a lateral move to OU especially if the Buckeyes win tomorrow night. Unless he is promised something more in the future??
Over on DB forum there are rumors that his fiance lives in Weatherford and has a child playing basketball in HS there. True or not I have no clue.
Another rumor they talked about was that Knowles and another assistant does not get along. Again true or not who knows.
I agree though that making a lateral move now makes no sense considering the future of the OU staff being in doubt. Unless they are offering him some future along with it.
I sure don't get it. On the verge of winning a NC and you'd leave for a team with a HC on the hot seat?
Yeah I had forgotten about those rumors so if true it makes sense if thats the case, the fiance in Weatherford. Either that or BV's seat is not as hot as we think and these Coordinators are being told that its not. Hard to say.
The same football program that attracted Mateer and Arbuckle can still attract someone like Knowles.
OU has issues now, but it’s still a blue blood program.
I’m sure every CFB coach sees it that way.
OU has issues now, but it’s still a blue blood program.
I’m sure every CFB coach sees it that way.
I see it the other way around. If he wins, he's basically done all he can do at tOSU. Why not go to another Blue Blood program and try to win there? He's going to have a lot to work with in regard to talent. Also, could possibly set himself up for the HC job if BV gets fired at some point. Who really knows I guess, but I wouldn't count out the possibility and that could by why the Search and Decision are taking so long.
One thing I had forgotten about is that he has history coaching and living in Oklahoma. He was the DC at Oklahoma State for three years prior to taking his present position at Ohio State. That along with his current relationship with his Oklahoma fiancé probably makes it a good bit more likely for him to come to OU if offered.
It would not be a lateral move. It would be to a lesser school at least in the here and now. Also, who knows if BV wouldn't tie his hands. I cannot imagine he comes here unless there are family ties\retirement in mind.
A bit like MacKenzie, Fairbanks and Switzer coming to a “lesser school” in 1966 or Stoops coming to a “lesser school” in 1999.
Hate it all you want. We are not on the same level with Ohio State. If you think we are your Kool-Aid is more potent that I imagined.
My bet is if he comes he will have full control of the D. I don’t think he comes with tied hands
I am not concerned as much for a DC if, and only if, BV can do more to focus on that side of the ball but I would not complain if we got Knowles.
Maybe he wants to prove himself capable of winning in the toughest conference in CFB instead of the b1g which has so many mid level teams ?
OU had in 1965 and in 1998 “lesser teams” but rebounded with good coaching hires the following year and became its vintage self again.
Arbuckle and a good defensive coordinator (like Knowles) could go a long way in resurrecting OU football.
And what is it that you’re saying I’m hating?
Agreed, a lateral move is to an equal program and OU is not equal to OSU right now in no way shape or form. Those that believe that are just dreaming. That doesn't mean he won't come who knows but I just don't see it. Hate to say it but until OU gets serious about Football again we will be an average program to those oustside and pretty much have been for a while now. What you did in the past doesn't mean much in CF these days and people have short memories. Last title was 24 yrs ago, none of the players playing now were born yet.
The SEC had a very down year and we stunk it up bad in conference play. A lot of work to do in the off season, time this staff needs to earn that pay, players too and get serious again about being a Blue Blood, if they don't we will continue to be average or as last season taught us below average.
Time to man up, stop living in the past and step up our game in the here and now.
Knowles is making $2.5M at Ohio State. So that’s a huge amount for OU to match considering what we paid our last DC. But that’s the name of the game now days.
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Over on DB it is being reported the OU offer for his services is $3.3 per year which would make him the highest paid DC in the game.
After the Oregon loss....Day and the AD sat Knowles down and went play by play for the entire game and made him defend his calls. Knowles was not happy about that....now that was before the Michigan loss and the Playoff run. It is not an easy fan base and administration to work for.
USC 35-31 Texas A&M (Dec 27, 2024) Final Score - ESPN
Game summary of the USC Trojans vs. Texas A&M Aggies NCAAF game, final score 35-31, from December 27, 2024 on ESPN.
Michigan 19-13 Alabama (Dec 31, 2024) Final Score - ESPN
Game summary of the Michigan Wolverines vs. Alabama Crimson Tide NCAAF game, final score 19-13, from December 31, 2024 on ESPN.
Illinois 21-17 South Carolina (Dec 31, 2024) Final Score - ESPN
Game summary of the Illinois Fighting Illini vs. South Carolina Gamecocks NCAAF game, final score 21-17, from December 31, 2024 on ESPN.
can't forget Ohio State's spanking of Tennessee and Texas. B1G owns the SEC, and will for a while.
I'm sorry man but this is a new animal and the feel-good stories of yesteryear are near impossible in this environment. This is not college football it is free agency with no contracts. We are top 10 but look who is at the top and by how much: https://sportsdata.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances
Then go review the recruiting rankings (I know stars NEVER MATTER) but I would venture to guess that they do in sum.
All indicators are we need a complete reboot both internally and with CFB as a whole, to include a more level playing field with funding players. If that does not happen, we will watch Ohio State and Texas playing in the deep rounds of the playoffs most years while we attend the Who Gives a Sh1t bowl. That is the best way I can explain it.
If true, this changes the dynamics a bit. I doubt he is worth $3mil a year though and I would be curious how good of a recruiter he is outside of his current institution which definitely can recruit via paycheck.
Sorry did not see this response. My reference to hate it was due to some suggesting it is a lateral move from Ohio State to OU for Knowles and I would argue that is completely wrong. It seems you are taking the line we can turn it around vs. suggesting outright that it would be a lateral move. I appreciate the optimism but via my post above you can see why I see things differently. We shall see, the QB is everything in this sport outside of Iowa.
What I am saying, or trying to say, is that while OU is in a depression now, it maintains a high-end program label based on its history.
Unlike 1965 and 1998 however, OU faces a very slippery slope in getting to a playoff level with Ohio State, Notre Dame, Georgia and its biggest rival Texas.
The NIL crap and entry into the SEC are obstacles never before faced by the OU program....and no, I'm not feeling much optimism these days because of this.
All OU can do is to try and build a great coaching staff, recruit aggressively and try to play the NIL "game" as best it can because it isn't going away.
In my 76th year, I now feel I won't see another OU championship or a Yankees championship. But I'm in a good lifetime so it is not going to be something that will overshadow my great life. And living in Gettysburg helps.... a lot.
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Everyone is asking if Knowles does decide to leave Ohio State for OU, will BV give him control of the defense. Look at Ohio State, Ryan Day is a great offensive play-caller, he brought in Chip Kelly and turned turned him loose. Between Kelly and Day that offense was pretty good. Hopefully BV can learn from that and trust that Knowles will put the players in the right spot to be successful. If those two can work as one that could be a very dangerous defense.
I can't see that happening. BV has a lot of pride in himself when it comes to defense. I can't see him being totally hands off and just delegating that responsibility
Stoops says he believes the Rumor about Knowles being OU's New DC.
https://stormininnorman.com/bob-sto...es-being-oklahoma-s-new-defensive-coordinator
https://stormininnorman.com/bob-sto...es-being-oklahoma-s-new-defensive-coordinator
Not a lateral move. Through recruiting and the Portal, OSU is stacked with defensive talent for 2025 and Knowles understands that he won't have to rebuild at OSU
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