Its reported that Rick Pitino was in the know of adidas scandal.

[bullmarket]

Rick Pitino who was probably the highest paid college basketball coach now probably has in his future major jail time

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nc...scandal/ar-BBEK9Sb?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

 

[JConXtsy]

Rick Pitino who was probably the highest paid college basketball coach now probably has in his future major jail time

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nc...scandal/ar-BBEK9Sb?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

There's very little in that article to suggest that he is indeed facing jail time. How many coaches in the NCAA that have been complicit of paying players have been sentenced to jail in the past. Really, I don't know.

 

[jd1025]

It would almost be impossible for him not to know what was going on....it would be naive to think he was innocent....as far as jail time...this isnt an NCAA investigation it is a federal case, but I dont think jail time is going to happen either... but this something far different than any previous investigations, so to say no jail time will be served is unknown...but an ankle bracelet may be the jewelry of choice...

 

[soonerfastnloud]

A coach that would do anything to win. How embarrassing.

 

[BillyRay]

Omg...college athletes being able to profit off their talents is just so incredibly evil and against everything this country stands for. I mean how dare those kids want to make money off their blood, sweat and tears while the rest of college athletics is an industry generating billions upon billions annually......

 

[RASooner]

Omg...college athletes being able to profit off their talents is just so incredibly evil and against everything this country stands for. I mean how dare those kids want to make money off their blood, sweat and tears while the rest of college athletics is an industry generating billions upon billions annually......

A contract that they enter in to with eyes wide open - that is if the recruitment is above board and everyone is honest about incentives. It used to be that getting an education and making yourself better for your family and the world was a positive moral value, something that athletic competition allows all of these players the opportunity to receive that they would not otherwise enjoy. I am not arguing that there should not be any concern with the big bucks that some college institutions receive for putting forward a team to compete (shucks both of us are a part of that cadre of enablers). Most of that money is plied back into the institution to service non-profitable sports, or other academic units of the University.

A vast majority of these college athletes will never make it into the next level - all the more important for them to take advantage of the opportunity to get that education which will be the ticket for their future successful lives if they apply themselves. I am for the idea that athletes receive the total cost of attendance so they are not begging around for some spending money and otherwise be tempted with hundred dollar handshakes.

The blame here is not on the recruit or player giving into the temptation to get something more when offered - not many could or would turn it down if offered (those that do are the real true heroes of integrity). The blame is on those who offer it = for to them winning, the prestige, and the perks of winning are more important than playing by the rules they give lip service to but are flaunting. If everyone did this to the rules, there would be no sports worth having; or better yet no human society worth living in.

RAS

 

[BillyRay]

A vast majority of these college athletes will never make it into the next level - all the more important for them to take advantage of the opportunity to get that education which will be the ticket for their future successful lives if they apply themselves. I am for the idea that athletes receive the total cost of attendance so they are not begging around for some spending money and otherwise be tempted with hundred dollar handshakes.

You're exactly right. All the more important that they should be able to profit financially off of their athletic talents during the last phases of their playing careers. Not saying an education is worthless. And for the vast majority of college players, an education is likely all they will be able to attain from their college careers. But I think it's ridiculous to continue down the road of the "amateur athlete" and preventing some of these kids from making some money off endorsement deals on the side if they are able to do it.

 

[JConXtsy]

The blame here is not on the recruit or player giving into the temptation to get something more when offered - not many could or would turn it down if offered (those that do are the real true heroes of integrity). The blame is on those who offer it = for to them winning, the prestige, and the perks of winning are more important than playing by the rules they give lip service to but are flaunting. If everyone did this to the rules, there would be no sports worth having; or better yet no human society worth living in.

RAS

Very true. It's much akin to insider trading. The cheaters on the offering side stand to gain so much more than the rules followers. There should be punishment.
What if coach A cheats and coach B doesn't. Coach A repeatedly beats coach B year in and year out. Coach B gets fired for not being able to beat coach A. Now it's not such an "innocent twist on sports." It's life-affecting.

 

[RASooner]

You're exactly right. All the more important that they should be able to profit financially off of their athletic talents during the last phases of their playing careers. Not saying an education is worthless. And for the vast majority of college players, an education is likely all they will be able to attain from their college careers. But I think it's ridiculous to continue down the road of the "amateur athlete" and preventing some of these kids from making some money off endorsement deals on the side if they are able to do it.

They do “profit” by walking up that platform and receiving that diploma. To profit from anything else discredits the purpose of higher education and sullies the reputation of the University. The purpose of the University is to educate. The student athlete voluntarily provides thier abilities to that end. Like the valedictorian with high ACT/SAT scores who receive a full ride for the purpose of enriching the academic environment of the academy, who themselves sweat blood and tears to get those high honors, so the star athlete provides his services to enhance the community environment of the University he is a part. If the athlete only wants to enrich themselves (as the star genius) then there should be avenues provided for them to obtain those goals. You want the money out of college athletics? There is a way.

RAS

 

[soonerfastnloud]

He should be paying the school back a huge restitution. I mean a dollar figure that puts a huge dint in his bank account. Then add jail time and take away his hair dye.

 

[veritas59]

Omg...college athletes being able to profit off their talents is just so incredibly evil and against everything this country stands for. I mean how dare those kids want to make money off their blood, sweat and tears while the rest of college athletics is an industry generating billions upon billions annually......

Except this is a whole different issue. This isn't an NCAA thing, it's an FBI thing. The NCAA didn't know what hit them, either. This is about fraud, racketeering, bribery, etc... And they aren't going after the players, they're going after the coaches and the shoe companies who were breaking the laws of the land.

Pay for play, although related, is a different matter.

 

[BillyRay]

They do “profit” by walking up that platform and receiving that diploma. To profit from anything else discredits the purpose of higher education and sullies the reputation of the University. The purpose of the University is to educate. The student athlete voluntarily provides thier abilities to that end. Like the valedictorian with high ACT/SAT scores who receive a full ride for the purpose of enriching the academic environment of the academy, who themselves sweat blood and tears to get those high honors, so the star athlete provides his services to enhance the community environment of the University he is a part. If the athlete only wants to enrich themselves (as the star genius) then there should be avenues provided for them to obtain those goals. You want the money out of college athletics? There is a way.

RAS

To allow the athletes to profit from anything else besides that degree discredits the purpose of higher education and sullies the reputation of the university? You actually believe that?

 

[RASooner]

To allow the athletes to profit from anything else besides that degree discredits the purpose of higher education and sullies the reputation of the university? You actually believe that?

Yep. Problem? Obviously we have different visions of the purpose of the University.

RAS

 

[BillyRay]

Yep. Problem? Obviously we have different visions of the purpose of the University.

RAS

We clearly do. My idea of the University and college athletic programs shouldn't create an environment where a person has no ability to profit from their own likeness since they are getting a degree.
If the purpose if the University is the educate, then what purpose do college athletics play anyways?? What purpose in higher learning does scoring TDs on Saturdays do?

 

[Medic007]

What purpose in higher learning does scoring TDs on Saturdays do?

Makes money to fund other sports, to contribute funding to education, allows student athletes the ability to earn a college degree at no cost, provides them the training to be able to pursue their sport at the professional level, and provides a venue to showcase their talent to the folks in the professional ranks who do the hiring.

If you think the only thing a student athlete receives in return for playing is books, housing, food, and the cost of credit hours, you're out of your mind. Take the entire cost of the coaching staff for a year, the cost of facility maintenance, and throw in some media production costs, and then you'll be truly scratching the surface.

The cost of base coaching salaries alone totals $92,470 per year per football player, not including coaches performance bonuses. That also does not include the training staff and physicians that take care of them. Or any other ancillary staff that contribute. Think about what a short football camp costs per individual.

Seeing the picture as the athlete only receiving the cost of the education is super myopic. If that was "all' they got, I might be able to agree with you until we got into the obvious discrepancies that allowing endorsement money in college football would cause. It's bad enough that Saban makes $11 million per year. Put the ability of Alabama in the position to secure endorsements for kids who sign there, it will be Alabama and then everyone else. That's not worth watching.

 

[BillyRay]

Makes money to fund other sports, to contribute funding to education, allows student athletes the ability to earn a college degree at no cost, provides them the training to be able to pursue their sport at the professional level, and provides a venue to showcase their talent to the folks in the professional ranks who do the hiring.

If you think the only thing a student athlete receives in return for playing is books, housing, food, and the cost of credit hours, you're out of your mind. Take the entire cost of the coaching staff for a year, the cost of facility maintenance, and throw in some media production costs, and then you'll be truly scratching the surface.

The cost of base coaching salaries alone totals $92,470 per year per football player, not including coaches performance bonuses. That also does not include the training staff and physicians that take care of them. Or any other ancillary staff that contribute. Think about what a short football camp costs per individual.

Seeing the picture as the athlete only receiving the cost of the education is super myopic. If that was "all' they got, I might be able to agree with you until we got into the obvious discrepancies that allowing endorsement money in college football would cause. It's bad enough that Saban makes $11 million per year. Put the ability of Alabama in the position to secure endorsements for kids who sign there, it will be Alabama and then everyone else. That's not worth watching.

But that's the thing Medic, why should our institutions for higher learning also be in the business of providing a lower level league or minor league system for professional sports teams?? And with the amount of money flying around for facilities and coaching staffs, what difference really does it make if the players can seek out endorsement or money making ventures outside of the university? To think that sullies the reputation of the university is absurd. It only sullies the reputation of the university currently because the NCAA wants to hold onto the outdated idea of amateurism.

I totally understand why amateurism was upheld for decades and decades for purposes of sending our collegiate athletes to the Olympics. Countries had to make sure their Olympic athletes were eligible. But even the Olympics long ago regarded amateurism as absurd.

If a kid gets an offer to make a few hundred bucks to sign autographs at a show, then that is a problem how? I'm not making a case for programs to break rules don't get me wrong. But I think the rules are severely outdated in today's world, and especially with the amount of money that is generated by college athletics at some programs.

 

[Medic007]

To think that sullies the reputation of the university is absurd.

I never said that.

But that's the thing Medic, why should our institutions for higher learning also be in the business of providing a lower level league or minor league system for professional sports teams??

It isn't a minor league. But where else is the NFL getting players? The value of the training and coaching to shape a player to play at his highest level isn't cheap.

I totally understand why amateurism was upheld for decades and decades for purposes of sending our collegiate athletes to the Olympics.

Football was never in the Olympics.

But I think the rules are severely outdated in today's world, and especially with the amount of money that is generated by college athletics at some programs.

Key words. Some programs. Most don't make any "profit." Those that do put it into facilities and education. The ones making the real money are the TV networks.

Again, I get what you are saying. But even the rules that created some parity in college football are on life support with conference and individual team TV network deals. The only thing allowing endorsement money into college football will do is widen the gap between the haves and the have nots. Even the NFL got away from that model by creating the salary cap. Right now the only thing keeping college football from becoming a giant free for all is the no salary cap.

It may happen someday. When it does I'll no longer be a fan or viewer. I'm not trying to change your mind, just letting you see the thoughts of someone who doesn't think it's a good idea at all.

 

[BillyRay]

I never said that..

I know, it wasn't meant to be towards you specifically. Was just a retort to something said earlier in the thread. Apologies if you thought I was trying to make you responsible for it.

It isn't a minor league. But where else is the NFL getting players? The value of the training and coaching to shape a player to play at his highest level isn't cheap..

Oh no doubt the money involved is substantial. But programs like OU, Texas, Alabama, or pretty much any bigtime blue blood program pours money into their football programs as an investment. To think it's all a noble gesture to do whats best for the kids is naïve. It's an investment to make sure their programs remain one of the top in the country to ensure the cash flow keeps rolling in year after year.

Football was never in the Olympics..

No doubt. It's why I mentioned collegiate athletics in general.

Key words. Some programs. Most don't make any "profit." Those that do put it into facilities and education. The ones making the real money are the TV networks..

And I think the same would apply to the amount of players able to find any real value in the free market willing to pay them for their endorsement services. The 3rd string QB isn't going to be in the same situation at Baker Mayfield.
So I have no doubt that the vast majority of college athletes are getting a great deal with a free degree.

Again, I get what you are saying. But even the rules that created some parity in college football are on life support with conference and individual team TV network deals. The only thing allowing endorsement money into college football will do is widen the gap between the haves and the have nots. Even the NFL got away from that model by creating the salary cap. Right now the only thing keeping college football from becoming a giant free for all is the no salary cap.

It may happen someday. When it does I'll no longer be a fan or viewer. I'm not trying to change your mind, just letting you see the thoughts of someone who doesn't think it's a good idea at all.

Ya allowing players to seek out compensation on the free market would create a giant monster of an issue. I think we both can agree on that. It would create a whole new set of issues in whether it should be controlled and monitored and whether limits should or should not be set.
But for me, there is simply something inherently wrong with a situation where a player can be offered outside compensation for his own likeness and fame, yet is strictly forbidden simply because he is getting a free education. Regardless if the outside compensation will even affect the university or not. To me that just doesn't sound right at all. Especially when you consider the big-time money sports like basketball and football are generating billions upon billions of revenue every year.

 

[Medic007]

But for me, there is simply something inherently wrong with a situation where a player can be offered outside compensation for his own likeness and fame, yet is strictly forbidden simply because he is getting a free education.

The student athlete signs a contract. If he/she doesn't like the terms, they don't have to sign it. They aren't being forced to play football. They can go to college the way the rest of us do, or not go at all. That's a decision they make willingly knowing the terms.

Under your idea, would you be OK with Boone Pickens giving out $10 million signing "endorsements" to get every 5 star player to attend OSU? Would there be a max? One deal for $500 per year? Unlimited deals of $500 per year? Does each conference set their own limits?

Again, the student athlete is receiving a substantial return on their willing participation in collegiate sports. They can always say no. The only thing that allowing endorsements will create is the legalization of booster benefits. No thanks. Not the kind of product that interests me.

 

[BillyRay]

The student athlete signs a contract. If he/she doesn't like the terms, they don't have to sign it. They aren't being forced to play football. They can go to college the way the rest of us do, or not go at all. That's a decision they make willingly knowing the terms.

Under your idea, would you be OK with Boone Pickens giving out $10 million signing "endorsements" to get every 5 star player to attend OSU? Would there be a max? One deal for $500 per year? Unlimited deals of $500 per year? Does each conference set their own limits?

Again, the student athlete is receiving a substantial return on their willing participation in collegiate sports. They can always say no. The only thing that allowing endorsements will create is the legalization of booster benefits. No thanks. Not the kind of product that interests me.

Ya they don't have to sign it, but lets be honest here. College football is the pipeline to the NFL. So kids pretty much know they have to pony up a few years playing college ball to get a shot at the NFL. And it's the NFL that is putting kids in this predicament of having to risk playing 3 years of college ball and putting their possible pro futures at risk every time they take the field.

In regards to whether I would be OK with boosters paying kids and recruits...well...do you really believe that is NOT what is going on right now anyways?? Just because we don't hear about it don't be naïve to think kids are already getting under the table money from boosters on the side. But I suppose spending hundreds of millions on a stadium upgrade is somehow different from offering a deal to come play for that program? In the end, it's all money that is being thrown around to lure talent to your program. All part of the facilities "arms race" that programs are embroiled in against each other.

And I really don't understand the viewpoint of not being interested in watching college football anymore if they kids are allowed to make money or take money from boosters. So you watch a huge game that is broadcast on national TV, does that mean somehow the game is more enjoyable knowing the players will go back to their dorms after the game and may not even have enough more to order a pizza to enjoy their victory?? I really don't get that. To me, I will love watching OU football regardless.

 

[Medic007]

But I suppose spending hundreds of millions on a stadium upgrade is somehow different from offering a deal to come play for that program?

Can that stadium buy them cars, clothes, and TVs? Come on BR, that's a reach. A long reach.

And I really don't understand the viewpoint of not being interested in watching college football anymore if they kids are allowed to make money or take money from boosters.

I'm not asking you to understand. The NFL bores me now. Too much focus on the players. If you think endorsements won't do the same thing to college football, well, that's for you to decide. I enjoy the teams that come out of nowhere each season like TCU and Wisconsin this season. If we give college teams a "legal" means to pay players, we'll see a few dominant well to do teams and then everyone else. So thus, no I won't be interested.

We'll keep beating this dead horse so I'm out on this topic.

You headed to Norman this weekend? If not, will you be able to watch or are you working? I hear it's going to be rowdy like Tech in 2008.

 

[BillyRay]

You headed to Norman this weekend? If not, will you be able to watch or are you working? I hear it's going to be rowdy like Tech in 2008.

Gotta work this weekend so should be able to find a TV to watch it. I need to get back up there to a game again. It's been years. Next year I really need to make the Scoop get together a lot of the pay board guys do for the RRR game. If you are ever coming down this way for a game hit me up. Heck for next year the TCU stadium is like 10min from the house!!

 

[Medic007]

Gotta work this weekend so should be able to find a TV to watch it. I need to get back up there to a game again. It's been years. Next year I really need to make the Scoop get together a lot of the pay board guys do for the RRR game. If you are ever coming down this way for a game hit me up. Heck for next year the TCU stadium is like 10min from the house!!

Heck yeah. Hopefully you get to watch. Hopefully nobody calls in sick so I don't have to work.

 

[Oklabama]

I enjoyed the back and forth between you guys. Both of you had good points and did so without either calling out the other. Great Sooners! Love it.

 

[Medic007]

I enjoyed the back and forth between you guys. Both of you had good points and did so without either calling out the other. Great Sooners! Love it.

The BR is a good dude. I've gotten to chat with him on Facebook.

I don't disagree with the concept he presents. I just don't see how it could happen without being a big negative for the overall sport. I'm sure he has great ideas on how to pull it off as he envisions though. He's definitely not an empty talking blowhard.

 

[BillyRay]

I don't disagree with the concept he presents. I just don't see how it could happen without being a big negative for the overall sport. I'm sure he has great ideas on how to pull it off as he envisions though. He's definitely not an empty talking blowhard.

Man you are so wrong too. Lol
I just think the with so much money being generated by their being central to the entertainment, the athletes should be getting a piece of the pie as well. But I certainly have no grand schemes or ideas on how to pull it off. On this topic I am very much just a simpleton.

 

[Oklabama]

On this topic I am very much just a simpleton.

Well, we already knew that. JFWY.