I tried to post a reply on that gsx thread and after about 30 minutes

[Got Rings?]

of typing and after trying to put into words what I wanted to say on a message board and ask that the thread be locked when I finally hit post the thread had been deleted. So rather than try to think and do all of that again here is the summary. Yes, this is a short summary of what I had typed just as the thread was deleted. Ha!

I thank everyone that responded on the thread to my questions. I thank everyone for discussing the subject with civility. Nobody got overly hateful. For that I thank everyone. There was a lot I wanted to say but I wanted to listen more than talk to people that I don't agree with. I wanted to walk a mile in gsx's shoes for instance if you will. It helps me to understand him and others better. Although I disagree greatly with a lot that was said I respect everyone's opinions on the subject and will leave it at that.

I asked that in the future that both sides of the issue that when the topic of God and/or religion are brought up that we don't harass others for believing something different than what we believe. I will try my best to not antagonize and I hope everyone will do the same from both sides.

As fortworth said way better than I ever could, it is the job of a Christian to spread the "Good News" but if someone doesn't want to listen that is their right to not to have to listen.

I also want to apologize for starting that thread on a Sooner sports message board. That was wrong and I will try not to do that again, but maybe it did give everyone a chance to think about a few important things in life and assess their thoughts and experiences on the matter.

I don't want to be banned. I like this crazy dysfunctional board family. It's like a moth to a flame. Ha!

Lastly, I was hoping that as I walked in gsxrace's shoes that I may actually become an expert on cars and working on cars somehow, but unfortunately I'm still the worse mechanic and don't have a clue how to fix anything on a vehicle. I wish I did.

Please no more debate on the subject. I don't want to be banned I only wanted to say thanks and apologize to everyone but the thread was deleted before I could say it.

Boomer Sooner! #8 is coming soon

 

[22LR]

There are new run-of-the-mill American cars in show rooms that are faster, have much higher horse power, greater low end torque, and will run 15 years with no major repairs... than the outdated iron that GSX rebuilds. "Muscle car" has been redefined.

 

[JConXtsy]

I bought the new second generation Volt when I moved out to Cali, not because I have delusions of saving the world, but because gas is expensive and I have quite the commute. All I gotta say is, wow, if you ever have the chance to drive electric, do it. It has really impressed me. 2600 miles on it as of today, and I've only driven 150 of that on gas. Yeah, in two months of driving it, I've used 3 gallons of gas and have not been to the pump.
I might have to change the oil every couple of years. The brakes will never need replacing. None of the mechanical messes of a combustion engine. I'll never get to the ~30,000 mile range on the combustion engine when things start needing cleaning and replacing.

http://imgur.com/2JcEzmc

 

[Sooners83]

I bought the new second generation Volt when I moved out to Cali, not because I have delusions of saving the world, but because gas is expensive and I have quite the commute. All I gotta say is, wow, if you ever have the chance to drive electric, do it. It has really impressed me. 2600 miles on it as of today, and I've only driven 150 of that on gas. Yeah, in two months of driving it, I've used 3 gallons of gas and have not been to the pump.
I might have to change the oil every couple of years. The brakes will never need replacing. None of the mechanical messes of a combustion engine. I'll never get to the ~30,000 mile range on the combustion engine when things start needing cleaning and replacing.

http://imgur.com/2JcEzmc

I would be curious to know if and how you can tell the cost of the electrical charge every time that it is plugged in? I have had a Prius for 8 years now and it gets me to work and back with about 42 mpg. I mainly bought it because I was driving the old family minivan and literally making the gas pump stop at $75 without being totally full. Oddly I filled up the other day and the bill was 15.00

 

[JConXtsy]

I would be curious to know if and how you can tell the cost of the electrical charge every time that it is plugged in? I have had a Prius for 8 years now and it gets me to work and back with about 42 mpg. I mainly bought it because I was driving the old family minivan and literally making the gas pump stop at $75 without being totally full. Oddly I filled up the other day and the bill was 15.00

Sure. It's a 17kW battery, but it only uses/charges 14kW. It has to keep 3kW in reserve at all times in order to drive the vehicle from a dead stop, because there aren't any gears for the combustion engine. Therefore, the engine doesn't have the power/correct gear ratio to start it going from a dead stop. The engine can only take over after about 20mph.

Anyhow.... 14kW depending on which part of the country you're in = 14 * (0.1 - 0.2 $/kWh) = $1.40 - 2.40 to "fill it up"
The vehicle has an estimated EPA range on electric only of 53 miles. That's approximately about 2 gallons of gas in any other "standard" vehicle. So $1.40 - 2.40 for 2 gallons of gas if you're comparing it to the average car. You'd have to do the math on your own car to get the real value.
Plus, I regularly get 60-70 miles per charge, so I get more than the EPA rating.

If you tell me your electric company kWh rate and your current gas mileage, I can give you an exact $:$ comparison.

I'm in California, so my electric price is relatively high being that little of the generated electric here is from coal. I believe it's mostly hydro and nuclear, but I just moved here and don't know exactly. However, I get free charging at work so half of my bill is cut, and there are also quite a few free charging stations at shopping locations.

 

[JConXtsy]

I would be curious to know if and how you can tell the cost of the electrical charge every time that it is plugged in? I have had a Prius for 8 years now and it gets me to work and back with about 42 mpg. I mainly bought it because I was driving the old family minivan and literally making the gas pump stop at $75 without being totally full. Oddly I filled up the other day and the bill was 15.00

Oh, I did some research and it looks like you've got 12 gallons in a Prius tank. I would guess you filled up with 2 left in the tank. So 10 gallons for $15, I would guess you're at $1.50/gallon wherever you are? That means you're probably somewhere where electricity is about $0.12/kWh. And you get 42 mpg.

53/42 = 1.26 normalization factor
$1.50 * 1.26 = $1.90 Prius (worth of gas to get you as far as the Volt on electric)
14kW * $0.12/kWh = $1.68 Volt

My calculations don't include some of the transmission losses during charging an electric vehicle, so you can assume the cost on the Volt a little higher, and I would guess that the Prius and Volt are equivalent in cost to drive wherever you're living. That doesn't include the cheaper cost of maintenance on the Volt though.

 

[gsxrace01]

There are new run-of-the-mill American cars in show rooms that are faster, have much higher horse power, greater low end torque, and will run 15 years with no major repairs... than the outdated iron that GSX rebuilds. "Muscle car" has been redefined.

really, ive never seen a 3000hp car that runs 180mph in the 1/8 mile on the showroom floor. https://www.flickr.com/photos/dialsracecars/with/20899627100/

 

[22LR]

3000 hp. LOL. And you talk about our imagination.

 

[gsxrace01]

3000 hp. LOL. And you talk about our imagination.

when are you going to stop coming on here an acting like you know things that you know nothing about? a pro line built 600 inch engine with twin turbos will make over 3000hp any day.that's what the black nova has in it,it's already ran 177 in the 1/8 mile with a small 275 radial tire,all of the 10.5 outlaw cars we build now have similar combo's,even biger 700inch with twin 94s,can make over 4000. as for the old iron comment,these are new Chromoly tig welded cars.

 

[WhyNotaSooner]

There are new run-of-the-mill American cars in show rooms that are faster, have much higher horse power, greater low end torque, and will run 15 years with no major repairs... than the outdated iron that GSX rebuilds. "Muscle car" has been redefined.

While this is true.... there's nothing better than the enjoyment of driving old school classic american hot rods. That's the one thing that the new cars don't have and can't have. Because of this, I favor old school.

 

[22LR]

GSX, there are people who I believe every word they say. Their reputations precede them. But you, in your world of relative truth, constantly flipping-off and ridiculing those who believe in any kind of absolute truth... Well... Your reputation precedes you too. Why should I believe you? So, the caution flag goes up on your 3000 hp claim.

 

[gsxrace01]

GSX, there are people who I believe every word they say. Their reputations precede them. But you, in your world of relative truth, constantly flipping-off and ridicule those who believe in any kind of absolute truth. Your reputation precedes you too. So why should I believe you? So, the caution flag goes up on your 3000 hp claim.

wtf do you know about my reputation? iv'e only been building these cars for 25 years full time.

 

[22LR]

And you have a White House security clearance. lol.

 

[gsxrace01]

And you have a White House security clearance. lol.

that's right and im gonna prove it to you if someone will help me post a pic. you started this by saying i could never pass a background check yesterday.

 

[stuck in del rio]

If you tell me your electric company kWh rate and your current gas mileage, I can give you an exact $:$ comparison.

I wasn't sure of the formula - my cost of electricity is 0.10700. Gas here is currently around $1.75 a gallon. I drive maybe 30 miles per day, usually only to work and back.

 

[gsxrace01]

And you have a White House security clearance. lol.

that's right and im gonna prove it to you if someone will help me post a pic. you started this by saying i could never pass a background check yesterday.

here you go s-22 https://www.flickr.com/photos/dialsracecars/?

 

[JConXtsy]

I wasn't sure of the formula - my cost of electricity is 0.10700. Gas here is currently around $1.75 a gallon. I drive maybe 30 miles per day, usually only to work and back.

In a Volt, you'd be spending about 85 cents per day in energy costs. Bump that up a bit for transmission loss, so really like $0.90-0.95/day. Your home electric bill would go up about $30/month.

You didn't say what car to compare against, but just take an average 25 mpg vehicle. You would currently spend about $2.10/day in gas. That's about $65/month.

It doesn't make much sense to get an electric vehicle in your case just for a $300-400 savings per year unless you really like the added comfort of the ride - smooth acceleration, no jerking during gear shifts, one-pedal driving, nothing but tire noise.

In my case, I'm saving considerably. I was in an 02 Maxima getting about 20-21 mpg on my commute to work (lots of stop and go traffic that burns up gas). I had a 65 mile round trip commute, so I was burning 3 gallons/day. Gas is also $3/gallon right now, so that was $9/day - $200/month. My Volt is costing me about $1/day because I get a free charge at work, so I'm saving $170/month. I bought the car, but if I were to lease it, that savings alone would pay half of the lease.

 

[22LR]

here you go s-22 https://www.flickr.com/photos/dialsracecars/?

I had to get home from work be able to zoom in on it. Hey, that's pretty cool, congratulations. And thank you for your service. But... um... the date on the cert is 1986. That's like 30 years ago. A lot of water has gone under the bridge in that span of time. Outlaws tend to get busted now and then.

 

[stuck in del rio]

In a Volt, you'd be spending about 85 cents per day in energy costs. Bump that up a bit for transmission loss, so really like $0.90-0.95/day. Your home electric bill would go up about $30/month.

You didn't say what car to compare against, but just take an average 25 mpg vehicle. You would currently spend about $2.10/day in gas. That's about $65/month.

It doesn't make much sense to get an electric vehicle in your case just for a $300-400 savings per year unless you really like the added comfort of the ride - smooth acceleration, no jerking during gear shifts, one-pedal driving, nothing but tire noise.

In my case, I'm saving considerably. I was in an 02 Maxima getting about 20-21 mpg on my commute to work (lots of stop and go traffic that burns up gas). I had a 65 mile round trip commute, so I was burning 3 gallons/day. Gas is also $3/gallon right now, so that was $9/day - $200/month. My Volt is costing me about $1/day because I get a free charge at work, so I'm saving $170/month. I bought the car, but if I were to lease it, that savings alone would pay half of the lease.

Sorry - forgot that part. I drive a Mercury Grand Marquis, old school - I drive through the shittier neighborhoods and you can see people turning away, walking fast the other way because they think I'm the law.

What attracted me to your first post wasn't necessarily the money savings in gas, but the reduced repair costs of replacement parts in combustion engines.If I read right, there is a substantial savings in repairs, especially for older cars. You also mentioned never needing new brakes? I just spent 800 on new everything (rotors, pads, shoes, etc) over the summer, that is definitely better.

 

[WhyNotaSooner]

I just made a reservation to test drive a 2016 Tesla, model S p90d. It should be an interesting test drive. 0-60 in 2.6 seconds w/ 762 hp. It has auto drive and can operate 260+ miles w/o a charge. Speaking of charging, it takes 7-8 hrs to charge using a 220V outlet. We're going Monday. BTW, I'm not in the market but Tesla has a complete set up for 1 hr test drives at a nice mall for the holidays, so I'm taking advantage of it and work in a bit of shopping as well.

 

[JConXtsy]

Yep, electric cars brake mostly by reversing the electric motor. This slows the car while regenerating the batteries.
You still have friction brakes, but they are only engaged by the car during extreme/emergency braking and doing the final 5-0mph. That means most of their use is really light use. It will take a really long time to use them up.
The first Volt came out in 2011, so it's about 5 years old and I haven't read of a single case that had to replace the brakes yet.

Rare oil changes as well. I've had my vehicle 2 months and the computer says my oil is at 94% life. I'm going to have to change the oil because of age and not use once a year.
No alternator. Belts.
What's going to kill the oxygen sensors? MAF?

 

[K2C Sooner]

 

[Yankees03]

Delrio you spent 800 dollars on brakes and rotors? Good grief what did the etc. part represent?

 

[AbsoluteZer0]

Batteries, that's what kills electric cars. Solve that problem (and batteries haven't developed that far from like the 50's) and we are good to go. Electric cars are no doubt the future, but batteries are the issue. Same with Solar power. Get an off grid system that can power AC and all creature comforts without having to have 2 trillion of them and let's rock on into the future.

 

[gsxrace01]

of typing and after trying to put into words what I wanted to say on a message board and ask that the thread be locked when I finally hit post the thread had been deleted. So rather than try to think and do all of that again here is the summary. Yes, this is a short summary of what I had typed just as the thread was deleted. Ha!

I thank everyone that responded on the thread to my questions. I thank everyone for discussing the subject with civility. Nobody got overly hateful. For that I thank everyone. There was a lot I wanted to say but I wanted to listen more than talk to people that I don't agree with. I wanted to walk a mile in gsx's shoes for instance if you will. It helps me to understand him and others better. Although I disagree greatly with a lot that was said I respect everyone's opinions on the subject and will leave it at that.

I asked that in the future that both sides of the issue that when the topic of God and/or religion are brought up that we don't harass others for believing something different than what we believe. I will try my best to not antagonize and I hope everyone will do the same from both sides.

As fortworth said way better than I ever could, it is the job of a Christian to spread the "Good News" but if someone doesn't want to listen that is their right to not to have to listen.

I also want to apologize for starting that thread on a Sooner sports message board. That was wrong and I will try not to do that again, but maybe it did give everyone a chance to think about a few important things in life and assess their thoughts and experiences on the matter.

I don't want to be banned. I like this crazy dysfunctional board family. It's like a moth to a flame. Ha!

Lastly, I was hoping that as I walked in gsxrace's shoes that I may actually become an expert on cars and working on cars somehow, but unfortunately I'm still the worse mechanic and don't have a clue how to fix anything on a vehicle. I wish I did.

Please no more debate on the subject. I don't want to be banned I only wanted to say thanks and apologize to everyone but the thread was deleted before I could say it.

Boomer Sooner! #8 is coming soon

hey brother rings,send me an e mail sometime , dondial@yahoo.com

 

[JConXtsy]

Batteries, that's what kills electric cars. Solve that problem (and batteries haven't developed that far from like the 50's) and we are good to go. Electric cars are no doubt the future, but batteries are the issue. Same with Solar power. Get an off grid system that can power AC and all creature comforts without having to have 2 trillion of them and let's rock on into the future.

Sure, but how many batteries on electric cars have you heard about failing? Chevy warranties their batteries for 8 years, and there aren't any reports of battery degradation over the existing models. What do you think batteries will be like in 8 years (cost and performance) when they need replacing (possibly)? I just so happen to work for Boeing and GM's advanced research partnership and can give you a hint that the future will be different. I can set a little money aside every year that I'm not spending on gas and maintenance, and I'll be ready for that battery replacement in the future without a hiccup.

And solar cells are coming along as well. Most people with solar arrays are already generating their entire electric usage. Many are even generating more than they need and feeding it back into the system while garnering themselves credit with their energy provider. Elon Musk is changing the game in solar with his company http://www.solarcity.com/ . You can already get yourself no up-front cost solar arrays in many states.

Early adoption isn't for everyone, but somebody has to get the ball rolling. Without demand, there isn't research or economies of scale to reduce manufacturing costs. We would lose time that we just don't have. Atmospheric CO2 levels are increasing steadily. http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/

 

[stuck in del rio]

Delrio you spent 800 dollars on brakes and rotors? Good grief what did the etc. part represent?

It was all 4 sets of brakes - I'm not sure what all was replaced, but I do remember that all 4 discs or rotors were warped? Because I waited so long in replacing them - they showed me either the shoes, rotors, or pads, and they crumbled when they took them off...I was there for 6 hours because each brake system had to be completely replaced, or mostly replaced - I chose not to have one part on all 4 replaced which would have driven the cost up to $1200.

 

[Mister Moses]

If you replace rotors I can see $800 being normal.
I do my own and buy generic rotors at $60 a piece compared to original factory rotors that run 4 times that price.
Generic rotators aren't near the quality of AC-Delco rotators. The best ones cost around $200 dollars each for my truck. The preferred rotors and pads, labor can cost a lot. That's why I do my own.