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My father was old school and I raised my kids the same way I was. I got knocked in the dirt several times as a teenager and looking back I deserved it. My father COMMANDED respect, no back talk , no whining, no nothing. You did as you were told with no question. I raised my kids the same way, with very slight modifications to suit circumstances at the time.
The reason I'm asking is for my daughter who has a very smart 10 year old daughter that, according to her, is very disrespectful towards her, doesn't do as she's told, and is a constant back talker. In today's world, children seem so overprotected to the point that old techniques that I was raised with or scrutinized to the point it's considered abusive. My daughter falls into this trap for fear of DHS removing the kids from the home and constantly tells me she can't do discipline the way I did or my father did. I'm naturally sick of hearing her excuses, but understand where she comes from in today's world.
I told my daughter this morning that when I have any of my grandkids, it's MY rules. I will not tolerate any misbehavior and if it happens, it will be dealt with swiftly. What is your background and opinions?
 
My father was old school and I raised my kids the same way I was. I got knocked in the dirt several times as a teenager and looking back I deserved it. My father COMMANDED respect, no back talk , no whining, no nothing. You did as you were told with no question. I raised my kids the same way, with very slight modifications to suit circumstances at the time.
The reason I'm asking is for my daughter who has a very smart 10 year old daughter that, according to her, is very disrespectful towards her, doesn't do as she's told, and is a constant back talker. In today's world, children seem so overprotected to the point that old techniques that I was raised with or scrutinized to the point it's considered abusive. My daughter falls into this trap for fear of DHS removing the kids from the home and constantly tells me she can't do discipline the way I did or my father did. I'm naturally sick of hearing her excuses, but understand where she comes from in today's world.
I told my daughter this morning that when I have any of my grandkids, it's MY rules. I will not tolerate any misbehavior and if it happens, it will be dealt with swiftly. What is your background and opinions?
To give a bit of background, the father of this grandkids does not live in the home, and they have joint custody, each has them several days a week. The father is evidently having the same problems, but not as severe at this time.
 
I'm not saying this applies to your situation, but it seems too many kids are raised in chaotic homes with little structure when they are young. Then when the kids start acting out as they get older, parents act like it is totally the kids fault. Well what do they expect? Kids need to be taught the rules when they are very young and disciplined when those rules aren't followed. Sounds to me like the child knows she can push your daughter without too much fear of anything happening. I'm sure this can be reversed, but it will be much more difficult than if she was 5 yrs old. Your daughter will have to be consistent and follow through when things go bad.
 
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Everyone responds differently to different triggers. There's no right and no wrong, barring the extremes.

My father was old school, but it didn't work on me. It made me resentful and honestly considered killing him a few times (when I was very young). When I was maybe 6 or 7, my mom caught me in the kitchen grabbing the biggest kitchen knife, maybe a 10" blade, and she asked what I was doing. I curtly told her I was going to kill dad. That was just one occurrence.
My father and I have a great relationship now as adults, but I was really distant from him as a child because of his discipline. I was more cerebral and responded well to logic and reasoning. My mother understood that and treated me with much more respect for my intelligence. She listened to my opinions and explanations and was interested in my thoughts. I far more feared disappointing my mother than getting kicked in the ass by my father. The latter was just going to happen, so why worry about it?

I was the same way throughout sports. I was either a coach's favorite or a coach's worst nightmare depending on the way they coached me, with respect or with the attempt of fear. I witnessed many, maybe most, of my teammates responding to fear better, but that wasn't for me. I'd go to war for someone that I felt respected me and was on my side, however.

The funny thing is that my son has only just turned 4 and shows the same signs as me. My wife is a hothead and a disciplinarian. She is absolutely frustrated with him, because her idea of correction is through fear. He now enjoys timeout and taunts her when she's mad. He'll ask her with a grin on his face, "Are you going to put me in timeout? Are you going to spank me?" If she says no, he'll ask her to do it just to taunt her. He'll put himself in timeout or he'll start to pull down his own pants. I, on the other hand, have never been much of a disciplinarian. I talk to him and explain to him why I'm upset with his behavior. When my wife tells him that she's going to tell his dad, he freaks out. He balls, He corrects his actions.

Punishment needs to fit the person.
 
We were disciplined early and often. And we liked it! Especially the beatings....

Just kidding. Seriously though, my upbringing was very similar to yours trademarcs. Dad was the authoritarian and it was, "yes sir, no sir" and he handed down most of the punishment. So we learened very early to get in line and I thnk it helped with our decision-making ability at a young age to consider the consequences before acting. With our Mother, it was more of "don't do anything to disappoint your Mom." Wish I had a nickel for every time we did something and then begged our Mom to "please don't tell Dad."

As to your granddaughter, yes, times have changed and what was "normal parenting" back in the day is now looked down upon or alternatives are the norm. But that doesn't mean she can't have boundaries for her behavior. She's only 10, so it's not too late to set expectations and come to what the punishment will be for exceeding her boundaries or "breaking the rules." I think Mom and Dad need to get together to discuss expectations and agree upon what the consequences will be if she does break the rules. She needs consistency where the rules of her behavior are concerned. But if Mom and Dad are too afraid or too "hands off," the girl is just going to get worse, especially as she enters the most difficult time of her life, the pre-teen years.
 
My dad would whip me really hard with a belt for bad grades. I really struggled in school because I was always a nervous wreck worried about getting bad grades resulting in disappointing my parents and getting a whipping. I was and still am the furthest thing from book smart. Realize now my dad unleashed a lot of built up anger on me and I actually depose him for it. Have raised my kids much differently and we have a awesome relationship.
 
I got a spanking about every couple of months from my dad (daddy) for something I pretty much knew I shouldn't have done. His weapon of choice was a belt. He would hold one of my arms so I couldn't get away and start whipping me on the ass with the belt. My defensive maneuver was to try and run in a circle until he got dizzy, but that didn't work. Funny what kids will try to avoid a good solid pop on the butt. My mother (mama) never used a belt on me as she thought it was too brutal, which is why I only got the belt sparingly considering how often I disobeyed. Believe me, I would have gotten more punishment from my dad had mother told him about the things I did. She would tell me "wait until your daddy gets home" frequently only to just let it go. But when I had gone too far, she would have me "go find a switch" and I knew better than to bring her a twig that wasn't up to her standards. I would try to run away, but she was a good athlete and could run behind me and sting the hell out of my legs and back by simply using a quick wrist action. Of course, I quickly learned to never bring back a switch without a shirt on. Once I changed out of my shorts into a pair of jeans. Well, that really pissed her off, and I got the belt that night from my dad. Such was the life growing up in Alabama. I wouldn't change a thing. It made me a better man and father.
 
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Growing up I took some royal ass beatings from my dad. Of course at the time, you didn't appreciate them for what they were. All I knew was I preferred to spend time at my grandparents house since they never whooped me. Lol But nowadays, looking back, those beatings were prolly the best things that happened to me growing up. I deserved every damn one of them. They tought me a bit of discipline that has served me well as an adult. When you do stupid things as a kid, you get ass whippings. When you do stupid things as an adult, you look at jail time or legal and financial trouble. Thank god I had my dad there to literally, BEAT that sense into me. :D
 
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I got a spanking about every couple of months from my dad (daddy) for something I pretty much knew I shouldn't have done. His weapon of choice was a belt. He would hold one of my arms so I couldn't get away and start whipping me on the ass with the belt. My defensive maneuver was to try and run in a circle until he got dizzy, but that didn't work. Funny what kids will try to avoid a good solid pop on the butt. My mother (mama) never used a belt on me as she thought it was too brutal, which is why I only got the belt sparingly considering how often I disobeyed. Believe me, I would have gotten more punishment from my dad had mother told him about the things I did. She would tell me "wait until your daddy gets home" frequently only to just let it go. But when I had gone too far, she would have me "go find a switch" and I knew better than to bring her a twig that wasn't up to her standards. I would try to run away, but she was a good athlete and could run behind me and sting the hell out of my legs and back by simply using a quick wrist action. Of course, I quickly learned to never bring back a switch without a shirt on. Once I changed out of my shorts into a pair of jeans. Well, that really pissed her off, and I got the belt that night from my dad. Such was the life growing up in Alabama. I wouldn't change a thing. It made me a better man and father.



I was wondering if anyone was going to mention a switch / stick or something like that.


My dad was a career military dude. Very very strict. a few things:

a) my mother would say wait until your dad got home. oh boy - i knew I was in trouble then.
My dad used anything readily available - belt, hand, stick, - you name it. It was used on me and which I mostly deserved.

b) while my dad was deployed I stayed with my Grandmother. When she gave out punishment - she would tell me to to back yard and get a switch / stick from a tree. And she always said "And the stick better not be a small one"

c) I belive in corporal punishment. Not to bring up the AD episode

d) We spanked our oldest child when he acted up. He turned out to be a wonderful son.

e) We never spanked our youngest because he never actually did anything wrong

f) We didn't spank our middle son either. He was a holy terror. We spent close to 200K on him for military school and the legal system.


I can honestly say now that my 3 sons are well educated, have good jobs, and are extremely productive citizens. And our relationships are wonderful.

All I say is that I agree with the previous poster - discipline largely depends upon the child in question.
 
On rare visits home from the orphanage I was sent to when I was two years old, my old man liked to beat me with his strait-razor strop any time I did or said anything he didn't approve of.

Fortunately, by the time I was 9 or so, I realized I was a fast little bastard, so this one time, after I had done something to displease the old man, he grabbed the strop and came after me. I took off and he chased me around the house 8 or 9 times, never catching me. Finally, he stopped, leaning over and gasping for breath (I hoped he was having a heart attack), and told me that he was sending me back to the orphanage.

I was exquisitely happy to hear this, since 11 of us lived on a hardscrabble farm near Seminole in a tiny house with no electricity or plumbing or heating. The "bathroom" was a spider and snake-infested outhouse 150 feet down the hill. Home was a place wherein the soul rotted with boredom--excepting visits to the outhouse.

Ah, Daddy, if only you could warn me what hell is like ... perhaps I would mend my ways.
 
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I believe in the Dobson rule. Dr Dobson wrote many wonderful books on child rearing. The best three on this issue are still great 30 years after the first one, Dare To Discipline. The other two were Bringing Up Boys and later Bringing Up Girls. The Bobson rule is basically this. You do not spank much. And you do not spank kids for misbehavior that is about being kids.

So if you warn your child that what they are doing is going to lead to their spilling of their milk, and they spill their milk, then that is a teachable moment. They get to clean up their own mess, age appropriately.

But occasionally, they draw a line in the sand to challenge your authority as they parent, dripping disrespect. And when that happens, they have earned corporal punishment. The disrespect is the key.

The earlier in their life, the better. Disrespect, undiscouraged, is a time bomb construction not headed off.

Most here know that my youngest was born when I was 47. He just turned 17. I was a better parent with him, despite a long separation followed by divorce. I do not remember ever spanking him. I communicated to him early in his life how I felt about his disrespecting me or any other adult, especially his mom.. it was never an issue that got to that point. His two older sibling both got a hard pat on the butt a few times. I think a hair brush was involved once or twice.

They are all three great kids. But I am a much different parent with number 3.
 
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Here is what I have really struggled with for several years. I am 50 and about 10 years ago my parents told me when I was 4 that I fell out of the top of our bunk bed and suffered a head injury. I was unconscious and vomiting and they took me to the hospital. They claim the Dr. said I was vomiting because I was just sick. Have seriously kicked myself for several years because I didn't ask any questions when told the story. Still slept in the top bunk for several years.

In my heart I truly believe one of my parents bashed my head with their fist or slammed my head into something knowing their temper, especially my dad. All those years getting whippings with a belt for bad grades when it is very possible they played a major role. Haven't spoken to them in 7 years and it truly is eating me alive not knowing if they ever truly lost it one night and knowing I will never find out.
 
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I got a spanking about every couple of months from my dad (daddy) for something I pretty much knew I shouldn't have done. His weapon of choice was a belt. He would hold one of my arms so I couldn't get away and start whipping me on the ass with the belt. My defensive maneuver was to try and run in a circle until he got dizzy, but that didn't work. Funny what kids will try to avoid a good solid pop on the butt. My mother (mama) never used a belt on me as she thought it was too brutal, which is why I only got the belt sparingly considering how often I disobeyed. Believe me, I would have gotten more punishment from my dad had mother told him about the things I did. She would tell me "wait until your daddy gets home" frequently only to just let it go. But when I had gone too far, she would have me "go find a switch" and I knew better than to bring her a twig that wasn't up to her standards. I would try to run away, but she was a good athlete and could run behind me and sting the hell out of my legs and back by simply using a quick wrist action. Of course, I quickly learned to never bring back a switch without a shirt on. Once I changed out of my shorts into a pair of jeans. Well, that really pissed her off, and I got the belt that night from my dad. Such was the life growing up in Alabama. I wouldn't change a thing. It made me a better man and father.


If you hadn't grown up in Alabama, I'd swear you must be my brother.
 
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All great stories! I got the switch myself. My parents planted a weeping willow tree at the north end of my childhood home. Little did I know how much I would hate that dam tree growing up. My dad had me and my brother cutting our own switches from that tree, and you didn't dare to cut one that was too small because the switching would be twice as bad.
My granddaughter is a great kid when I have her with me, and she is great around my other grand kids. She does well in school, is very smart, and a pretty girl. It's seems she acts this way on purpose with her mom and dad. She definitely respects others that I've been able to tell. I know when I was a kid I was guilty of ignoring my parents requests at times, getting tone deaf because they are your parents. My daughter did this to her mom a lot when she was young and it drove her mom crazy. Keep up with the stories.......they give me increased perspective.;)
 
Everyone I grew up with that actually got whooped as a child, I mean real whoopings, were always the worst and most disrespectful kids. Always seemed like a correlation there as the kids knew they would take a whooping, it would be over, and they wouldn't ever learn anything.

My parents simply explained to me why it was important to be respectful of adults and listen and I was and I did. A whooping is the easiest way out of a teachable moment.

Having said that. To each their own. I don't think there is anyone one right way to do things.
 
My father was a religious zealot who had been reared in a rigid Germanic home. The father he described was quite different from the ones that my aunts described. My father did take me to the bathroom and use a belt. Frankly, it usually didn't work. Usually, it was for something that embarrassed him with respect to the church as opposed to something serious and real. As a result, I learned not to respect his discipline.

On the other hand, my mother was a rather quiet Oklahoma farm girl who rarely disciplined me. She let me know what she expected, and she absolutely refused to back down once she assigned a chore. I would do what she said. She never saw any reason to spank or discipline me. For some reason, I never challenged her. She could see right through me, and I couldn't get away with anything. So, I didn't really try.

I think she was an advocate of teaching self-discipline, although, being uneducated, she wouldn't have known that. She let me know that I should have the self-respect and dignity to operate in a reasonable and logical manner. So, I did. I don't even remember having rules or being told that I couldn't do this or that. I did what she would have expected. I functioned logically and reasonably with a self-imposed discipline.

I was often hired as a teenager by the local farmers to plow,, and I was fairly highly paid for what I did because I had the reputation of staying on the tractor and working until someone relieved me. Again, it was my mother;'s self-discipline. I wasn't hired to chase rabbits. I think that is one reason that the freshman year at OU was so easy for me. Other freshmen had left home. I had brought my mother's self-discipline.
 
My dad was born in 1929. So he grew up poor in Tulsa. His dad wasn't shown a lot of love as a kid and I don't believe my father heard his dad tell him he loved him in his entire childhood or teens. During my pre-drinking age time, which then was 21, I never heard him tel me he loved me. It's just the way it was. But in retrospect, he did love me, and he tried hard to show it. Mostly, he just wasn't very good at it. He'd also created this child, me, when he was 21 and a couple of months from heading to Korea, where he was when I was born. He came back, married less than 18 months and fresh from the hardest time in his life.

He was pretty harsh, and his discipline was not done well. It was more about his reaction than what was good for us. He only used a belt once in my childhood, and surprisingly, it was on my sister, 27 months my junior. I was never spanked with a belt. He spanked my sister that way, because she'd carved her initials in my parents' dresser and then when confronted, lied to him about it. I was not there, so the details of this were told to me second hand, and not close to the time frame it occurred.

Not just because of that, they had a very poor relationship for most of her adult life during his life. I do remember being spanked on the butt much by my father. I do remember being slapped hard in the face several times, and was told of more of those when I was too young to remember. These were things that were not uncommon in the 50's. Today, he'd have been accused of abuse, and maybe rightly so.

But I can also say truthfully, that I respected my father more than I ever did my mother, who showed considerably more love toward me and my sister. But she was commonly a mom whose frequent warning was, "You just wait until your father gets home." She did try to spank us with a fly swatter, but she couldn't really make it hurt, and she couldn't catch me after I was about six or seven. She threatened frequently and followed through seldom.

We were also told frequently that we could eat what was on the plate, or go without, which mom thought was too harsh and would sneak us food. Perhaps, even though I was grateful, her deception hurt her credibility with me.

Dad was logical and I understood most of his verbal discipline, but he had unrealistic expectations about me, in a lot of areas. He wanted me to be Willie Mays and I didn't have the talent to be a Class A backup. Guys like me make terrific coaches, because we have to think the game to compete at all, we make poor players even in high school, and in early adulthood, some of us make pretty good slow pitch softball players.

But he never showed encouragement, just criticism.And always made it harder on me than any other kid. I just never lived up to his expectations. Now the older I got, and especially after he died 20 years ago, I grew to understand more about his background and felt a lot less anger about who he was and how he disciplined.

He did the best he could. He loved us, but just didn't understand how to show it. But I learned respect, in large part because he demanded it. And other men who became better mentors than he was, were effective in my life, because of basics that he taught me.

So even thought he wasn't good at it, I did come to understand that on balance, he was a positive influence. And I'd much rather have had that kind of parenting, than a permissive style that encouraged disrespect and being disruptive.

I did get corporal punishment three times during my school career, twice in the sixth grade and one my freshman year at Plano. And the latter, I got ten and that day deserved none. But there were certainly times in high school when I did deserve it, so it all evened out. Despite three occasions when I still believe I got undeserved swats on the butt, I somehow survived. Probably taught me that unfair is part of life.

I'm a big believer that corporal punishment is a good idea. And I believe that the lack of that in school these days, is at least part of the reason that we need metal detectors at so many campuses.
 
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On rare visits home from the orphanage I was sent to when I was two years old, my old man liked to beat me with his strait-razor strop any time I did or said anything he didn't approve of.

Fortunately, by the time I was 9 or so, I realized I was a fast little bastard, so this one time, after I had done something to displease the old man, he grabbed the strop and came after me. I took off and he chased me around the house 8 or 9 times, never catching me. Finally, he stopped, leaning over and gasping for breath (I hoped he was having a heart attack), and told me that he was sending me back to the orphanage.

I was exquisitely happy to hear this, since 11 of us lived on a hardscrabble farm near Seminole in a tiny house with no electricity or plumbing or heating. The "bathroom" was a spider and snake-infested outhouse 150 feet down the hill. Home was a place wherein the soul rotted with boredom--excepting visits to the outhouse.

Ah, Daddy, if only you could warn me what hell is like ... perhaps I would mend my ways.

DD, are you joking?
 
I remember a time where lots of kids played sandlot football in our front yard. At times it got rough. Yeah, the older guy's didn't care if you had pads or helmets. We went after each other. The young ones were off base, an unwritten rule.

One particular time was when two of my cousins got into a fist fight. My Uncle broke it up by slugging both of them in the face. Talk about abuse. That was it.

I whipped my oldest girl once. I left a red mark and my ex was on me immediately. She was right. I failed as a father. It wasn't her failure, but mine. I never touched my girls again. Not bragging, but she's near perfect today and still remembers me crying after the whipping.

My wife's cousin had a son they beat regularly. It didn't help. At a family get reunion the kid acted up. I took the kid out in the backyard and threw a soccer ball at him. I nailed him several times as he dodged the ball. We both got a laugh and the kid wanted to move in with me.

Glad it didn't happen, he's in prison for rape.
 
That opening comment tickled me. Sounds like everyone born in 1929 was both poor and in Tulsa.

In Oklahoma, it was mostly that way at the beginning of the depression. You're right. It was a poorly worded sentence. But not wrong by that much. The Depression in Oklahoma was about as bad as it was in the country for most folks.
 
That opening comment tickled me. Sounds like everyone born in 1929 was both poor and in Tulsa.

My parents were born in 1923 and 1924 down in SEC territory. We never considered ourselves poor. We just didn't have anything. My dad was an old stock car driver and he is in the Pioneers of Racing Hall of Fame at Talledga. My mother was a southern belle that played in the band at the 1941 Blue- Grey game in Montgomery and became a life long Tide fan even though she lived the last 55+ years of her life here in Oklahoma. We never owned a home until 1960, which was the year my dad died in an airplane crash at the age of 36. My mother remarried a couple of years later and the man she married has been a great father. My brother and I took him to Cattleman's in OKC for dinner on his 92nd birthday in November. I lost my son a week after Bob and Sooners won the natty on 2001. He was 32 and engaged to be married in 6 weeks. Losing a kid does something to you. I had a 4 year old brother die when I was only 9 months. When my boy died, my mother was my rock. She passed away in 2011 and my dad (stepfather) goes to her grave daily. Life is tough, but it can also be wonderful if you have a good outlook and treat people the right way. I have been very fortunate although if I only thought about the poor times, bad times and tragic times, I probably would not have enjoyed life. Being a Sooner had been one of my treasures.
 
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I got apple switches from my dad. Didn't take a whole lot of those to get my attention. When I was a kid the teachers were right, the coaches were right, and any other random adult was given respect. 90% of parents are the problems with children these days. To many people are divorced and scared to punish their kids in fear they will move in with the other parent.
 
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My father was a tool pusher/driller. He was 5'9", 240 lbs. 18 1/2" neck, 7 1/2 shoe size. A bull of a man.

He never spanked me, as my mother told him if he ever touched me, she would kill him. He was his dad's whipping post. My dad beat my oldest brother(his step son), once, then my 100lb mother put him in his place.

His form of discipline was total verbal abuse. He would just scare the h.ll out of you. I was being talked to like a roughneck on the rig. I knew more four letter words than any kid on the block!

When my wife and I had our sons, I refused to cuss them. I tell them stories of my Dad's cussing and they don't know what to think.

The hardest thing I've ever had to do was tell my son with cerebral palsy to go lay on the bed. I tapped him twice on the rear for back talking to his mother. Never had to do it again.

By the way, my son who is in a wheelchair, is working on his dissertation for his Ph.D. At OU in Norman.
 
My brother and I received physical discipline which was often times to heavy handed and regularly in situations uncalled for. I don't resent my father and I can understand what he was trying to accomplish. Usually accompanying these harsh scoldings were multiple hour verbal lashings as well. I remember standing there for so long getting yelled at that my legs would begin to go numb and I felt as if I were in quicksand. My brother and I became tough little bastards and it quickly got to where I'd rather take the beating than never ending verbal rampage.

My father grew emotionally with age and around the time I was a junior in high school and got much bigger than he, we learned to use our words. If I'm deserving of an ass chewing even to this day, though, I will humbly take it.
 
Sounds like many of you got physical beatings growing up. I'm not against corporal punishment, but I think it should be used as a last resort.
 
Never was hit with a paddle or belt, just with two or three open handed slaps on the butt.....I always seem to know that I had it coming....and I never felt the desire to sue or divorce my parents.
 
I was whipped with a belt, but it was reserved for serious offenses. Playing with fire, vandalism, etc. My dad used to tell my brother and I, "you'll hate me now, but thank me later". I was told once to do or not do something, and I mean once. There was definitely a fear/respect for my dad in my house.
 
Dad was a carpenter and, thus, we always had lots of lumber laying around in the garage.
Mom was a stay-at-home Mom and always told us to "wait until your Dad gets home".
About half the time, she never said anything, but just the anticipation was torture.
Dad always busted our butts with some sort of wood - baseboard, molding, etc.
After I raised mine, I always thought back to those times.
I wondered later if he didn't hate them as much as we did.
After a long hard day at physical labor, I wonder if he just hated having to spank us.
I know I could never administer punishment if I wasn't there to see the offense.
I have read in these replies what my advice would be.
Talk very frequently with your children about what is expected and let them know what the consequences are.
In order to do this, you have to make these decisions (about consequences) before anything ever happens.
You actually want your young children to "fail", so they can see that their actions have consequences.
The younger they are when they "fail", the better.
Making them clean the bathroom because they forgot to do their homework is much easier than making them go to jail because they stole a car.
If they do not meet your expectations with the consequences, then corporal punishment is applicable.
Again, you need to decide beforehand what the corporal punishment is.
If you just "whip them until they cry", you may be whipping them for an hour and a half.
Decide that the corporal punishment is 5 licks, give them five and stop.
After you finish, if you think 5 was not enough, bump the number to 7, BUT 7 only applies to next time.
 
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