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Hoover interview with David Boren....article link

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http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsext...cle_cd7816c7-5571-5ebe-9392-3911e9337f83.html

Boren wants the Big 12 to expand to 12 teams, he wants the league to fold Texas’ Longhorn Network and other third-tier properties into a Big 12 Network, and he wants a conference championship game. All at once, in that order, and immediately.

Good to see Boren taking the lead and making demands. I'm curious as to what Boren will do if Texas balls up and tells Boren to shove it over not wanting to ditch the LHN?? Is Boren ready to pull the plug and threaten to leave if Texas says "what are you gonna do about it" if they won't ditch the LHN??
 
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Whorns have little to stand on at this point. The network is a failure. Their football is a failure. Kick them out. Bring in ND, BYU, and get Nebraska back.
 
Good article. Boren is on the right track but as he points out the B12 lost the opportunity to get some good schools into the conference years ago. Now the conference will probably have to settle for schools that won't bring the same benefits of a Louisville, for example. It is not reasonable to think that schools we want would leave the conference they are in to come to the B12.... that make sense geographically. And Boren's ideas aren't going to be met with a lot of enthusiasm by Texas. Frankly I think the conference should expand to 14 but that would just weaken the conference because there certainly aren't four schools available that are "sponge worthy". The future is bigger conferences and the future is now. Settling for lesser schools to get to 12 when the other major conferences are already expanding beyond 12 is again coming in behind the curve. OU should join the SEC or B1G while it has the opportunity.
 
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There are Big 12 members who want to stay at 10.There are Big 12 members who hate the idea of a conference championship game with 10 members.

The conference network would depend on Texas caving in and admitting defeat which with their inflated egos can never happen….

What Boren wants maybe the only way to save the Big 12….. But even Boren has got to know the odds for his plans are extremely low! Less than 10% IMO.

This leaves OU with only one good option and that is to find a different conference.
 
There are Big 12 members who want to stay at 10.There are Big 12 members who hate the idea of a conference championship game with 10 members.

The conference network would depend on Texas caving in and admitting defeat which with their inflated egos can never happen….

What Boren wants maybe the only way to save the Big 12….. But even Boren has got to know the odds for his plans are extremely low! Less than 10% IMO.

This leaves OU with only one good option and that is to find a different conference.

This conference is just dysfunctional. Time for OU to GTFO and look for another conference. Bolt to the SEC and let's get back to playing for national titles.
 
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Boren wants the Big 12 to expand to 12 teams, he wants the league to fold Texas’ Longhorn Network and other third-tier properties into a Big 12 Network, and he wants a conference championship game. All at once, in that order, and immediately.

That cracked me up for some reason.
 
This conference is just dysfunctional. Time for OU to GTFO and look for another conference. Bolt to the SEC and let's get back to playing for national titles.

Dysfunctional, yeah, but it can be salvaged. We're still one of the best conferences in all-around sports. We're hanging our hats on football too much. Would you get any argument that we're the best basketball conference right now? What about baseball? Softball? Women's basketball. We're a pretty stout conference in sports.

I think what the conference really needs is for Charlie Strong to finally get the axe and Texas to be back on top with Oklahoma for football royalty. If Saban were to take over Texas after Strong and make them good once again, I wonder if anyone would still be singing about conference issues?
 
Whorns have little to stand on at this point. The network is a failure. Their football is a failure. Kick them out. Bring in ND, BYU, and get Nebraska back.

BYU will never be offered. The TV partners will not allow it. ND is a pipe dream. They are already committed to the ACC.

You really think the Huskers want back in the same league as Texas? I think you are oh for three. Not sure how kicking out would work, but the TV partners who signed deals that included UT and the Aggies would not allow it.
 
Did Boren just wake up or pull his head out of ... well from wherever. The same thing has been written on this board from day 1.
All the president's horses and all the president's men
Couldn't put the Big 12 together again.
 
BYU will never be offered. The TV partners will not allow it. ND is a pipe dream. They are already committed to the ACC.
I dunno, a rumor is floating around the pay board that apparantly behind closed doors, bringing BYU in is one of the options. Myself, I hope not. On the surface it looks okay cuz they are a decent football program, but what does BYU really bring to the conference?? BYU is in the middle of a recruiting dead zone, and all you're really doing is inviting BYU to play games in this region so they can start to raid more Texas recruits. But I've seen it posted over there that BYU, plus a "surprise" team from a big conference is being looked at for expansion options.

I agree though that Notre Dame isn't coming. They are committed to the ACC in all other sports outside of football. And I think I read where they have an agreement with the ACC to schedule at least 6 games with ACC opponents each year. So Notre Dame is pretty much locked up by the ACC, unless they wanted to burn that bridge and join the Big XII. Which I really don't see that happening.
 
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Utah................................................................................................West Virginia. That's a long way to go to play a "conference game". If I were a WVU fan I would be pissed just thinking about the possibility. JMO.
 
I sure hope BYU isn't on the short list. They are junk in my opinion. Like Billy said, recruiting is zilch, but I'd argue that their football program isn't decent. They are just a top 50 program.
You have to go back to 2009 to find them in the Top 25.
I also don't think they could steal recruits from our area. They already have a worldwide draw by the nature of their background. That lure is the same thing that will hold other recruits at arm's distance.
 
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I dunno, a rumor is floating around the pay board that apparantly behind closed doors, bringing BYU in is one of the options. Myself, I hope not. On the surface it looks okay cuz they are a decent football program, but what does BYU really bring to the conference?? BYU is in the middle of a recruiting dead zone, and all you're really doing is inviting BYU to play games in this region so they can start to raid more Texas recruits. But I've seen it posted over there that BYU, plus a "surprise" team from a big conference is being looked at for expansion options.

I agree though that Notre Dame isn't coming. They are committed to the ACC in all other sports outside of football. And I think I read where they have an agreement with the ACC to schedule at least 6 games with ACC opponents each year. So Notre Dame is pretty much locked up by the ACC, unless they wanted to burn that bridge and join the Big XII. Which I really don't see that happening.

BYU was a done deal in the earlier raid period. But the tv partners of the conference called them a deal breaker. And they went suddenly from first option to nwih. BYU will not ever play any event on Sundays. Ever. The tv partners want the freedom to schedule post season games like conference tournaments with the finals scheduled on Sundays. Men and women. And it is even more important in outdoor sports. Even if you have the softball finals on Saturdays, if the rains keep you from playing, then the tv partners do not want the finals moved to Mondays, when their audience drops substantially. If it we not for that, BYU would already be in the conference. They can certainly compete.
 
I wonder what BYU would do if their basketball team had to play a Sunday game during March Madness? There were tournament games on Sunday last year if I recall correctly.
 
I wonder what BYU would do if their basketball team had to play a Sunday game during March Madness? There were tournament games on Sunday last year if I recall correctly.

They would just forfeit them, like a good Mormon should...
 
BYU will never be offered. The TV partners will not allow it. ND is a pipe dream. They are already committed to the ACC.

You really think the Huskers want back in the same league as Texas? I think you are oh for three. Not sure how kicking out would work, but the TV partners who signed deals that included UT and the Aggies would not allow it.

No. I don't think any of it will happen. Just my opinion of what I'd like to see at this point. Eff Texas. OUr rivalry with Nebraska was ruined by them. Since the Aggies are in the SUC SUC SUC, I don't know what tv partner deals you are talking about. Now if you are talking about the Aggies from stoolwater, eff them too, they will go where we tell them. (Yes, I have an OU mouse in my pocket.)

TV partner deal before aTm left didn't stop them, so how does it stop anyone else?
 
I wonder what BYU would do if their basketball team had to play a Sunday game during March Madness? There were tournament games on Sunday last year if I recall correctly.

The NCAA always schedules them for the Thursday Saturday sub regionals and if the make the regionals, they go to the one on Thursday and Saturday. The Final Four has been Saturday-Monday for more than three decades.
 
The NCAA always schedules them for the Thursday Saturday sub regionals and if the make the regionals, they go to the one on Thursday and Saturday. The Final Four has been Saturday-Monday for more than three decades.

Wow. I never realized the NCAA has made such a consideration for a school. I don't have a particular problem with it, but there may be a situation that one of BYU's opponents could find it objectionable, and for a good reason. I just can't think of one off the top of my head. Chariots of Fire, but not really because the Scot had to actually run in a different event to avoid running on Sunday. Thanks, Plaino, for the good intel.
 
I think the Big 12 should add BYU and Colorado State, split east-west, and create a conference network. IIRC CSU is putting a ton of money into athletics and that would at least give us a foothold back in Colorado. Adding BYU would bring in a nationwide LDS audience.

While a great deal is made of the LDS intransigence about not playing on Sundays, I don't see why it couldn't be accommodated. They were in a conference for about 40 years and they managed to work around it--albeit not one that would be as geographically far flung as the Big 12 would be.

This biggest drawback to what I propose is the increased geographic footprint to three time zones from Morgantown to Provo. However, I don't see any way around it while the prospect of bringing in Memphis, Houston, Cincinnati, or Tulane just doesn't do a lot for me.

If the Big 12 doesn't expand, then we just need to GTFO of it. My order of preference would be Pac, B1G, and SEC in that order. The only "kicker" would be if the state legislature were to stick its nose into the process and mandate that, if we move, we have to take our ugly, orange-headed step-brother to the north with us.
 
I just don't see a way that the B12 can attract two more schools that can consistently compete in the conference. The B12 doesn't need more Iowa State and Kansas like schools. However, I wouldn't want to be the most eastern team in the PAC playing away games in the PT zone unless they were always in the daylight. That wouldn't happen. I'd rather go B1G or SEC. B1G would be my preference but not by much. The OU - Nebraska reunion trumps the SEC for me.
 
I really don't get the insistence on having twelve teams. Every year that we don't win a national championship, there is a momentum for changing to some other paradigm. There may be some specific schools that just aren't getting it done in football for the moment. But I remember two or three decades when TCU was a football laughing stock. Same with Baylor. Now we consider them the teams to beat to win the conference.

And they were the only two of the top four to get a bowl win.

From 1974 to 83 they were 15-89-5. Jim Wacker got to TCU with a couple of small school national championships in his pocket and they went 8-4 in 84, but Wacker found out that behind his back, players were getting big money under the table and kicked seven guys off the team, including a running back who'd won some awards and had a solid NFL career later. They went back to being bad again, even though he was a qualit 11y coach.

From 1960 when Tech was allowed into the Southwest Conference (west Texas had been considered TCU's prime recruiting territory ) though the end of the conference when they weren't asked to stay in the formation of the Big XII, they played in three bowl games, winning zero.

Baylor, because of politics, was allowed into the XII. From the first season in the new conference, they were 35-101 until Briles arrived. Even worse, in those 13 seasons, they won 11 conference games total.

If the overall quality of the conference is good, then it doesn't matter how many are in the conference. And if it's bad, then it doesn't matter how many teams are in the conference. The problem is the politics of the SEC headed up committee, and what they call of value. And it isn't going to change if we add two teams, disrupting even more the contiguous continuity of the conference.

The one thing that gives this idea new credibility is Boren's 179 turn on the issue. I suspect that has to be coming from Stoops. But with OU's overall credibility and worthy annual big boy presence on the schedule, if we take care of OUr business, we will be in the final four. Isn't that what everybody seeks here? Or isn't it?

Joining other conferences becomes a short term solution to a long term issue, and all create traveling challenges for the atheletes who already miss a lot of class time anyway. But playing in Seattle in a game that doesn't even end until after midnight in Norman, is just not a practical solution. There are just as big of problems changing conferences.

I like that we're not in a divided football conference where we play the tougher schedule and somebody from the north has an easier trip to the CCG. We play the other Texas schools and OSU, while whoever wins the North gets Iowa State and Kansas is a lousy way to get a conference champion. The round robin makes way more sense.

I wonder what's really going on behind the scenes for Boren to take a new leadership role with a different point of view. Maybe it's because the OU Network is getting its outlets taken away by TV carriers. Mine has been for the non revenue sports. And I'm more than a little peeved by it.
 
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