After watching last night and this year I think Lincoln Riley is a good OC. Was Heupel really that bad as an OC? Or was it just time for him to move on? I only ask cause it always seems to be the DEF that loses these types of games for OU.
Honest question from Mizzou fan
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Yes he was that bad. Never stuck with a game plan. Perine had 5 carries against Baylor. Came out the 2nd half against TCU and had a good drive of running the ball and then we ran the ball only about 5 more times.
Don't forget TTech last year where he refused to run the ball in the 1st half, when it was obvious to everyone on the planet that TTech couldn't stop it. It took Bob Stoops yelling and screaming at him so loud during halftime about why aren't they running the ball, that reporters could hear it from behind closed doors for JH to finally come out and run the ball in the 2nd half. And oddly enough....OU dominated the game after that.
Yeah, but TT was loading the damn box early in the game...
The consensus around here is that Josh is pretty much an idiot. That it is not true, defies the majority. But the majority isn't always right. Last night, the defense wasn't as much the problem as the O, and most of that was that we couldn't run block. Then both running backs got hurt about five minutes apart and the wheels came off.
I think that Josh will do a solid job at Mizzou. The way Mizzou has to win in the SEC East is to have a great pass rush, be a little unconventional, and be thankful you're not in the West. And on defense you have to stop the run. One problem is that UTenn and Florida are going to beMiz very good pretty quickly. Tennessee led two of the four teams in the final four in the fourth quarter of their game. Except for a bit of a fluke at Tuscaloosa by Ole Miss, UTenn played Bama tougher than anybody. And they are playing a bunch of young guys. I'm not sure if Butch is the guy to get them there. I think he plays not to lose too often. But against us, he lost his best defensive player late first half and it turned the game around.
Mizzou will have to be better than they've been. But I believe Josh will be a solid addition to your staff. But don't tell anybody I told you.
Hardly anyone ( or maybe no one, I can't speak for the pay board) has ever labeled Heupel as an idiot. That's a lie. Most just thought he was in over his head as the OC at OU. I'll stick with what I said a few weeks ago which I was years from now I see Josh as a position coach but not a coordinator. I could be wrong, but I doubt it
If anyone on this board, or even the pay board, ever called JH and idiot, it's a very small minority and not the "consensus" like Plaino wants to claim. But that's usual banter for Plaino. Hell...Plaino is even back to claiming that criticizing coaches is going to set this program back even further as it will deter recruits from signing with OU. Yes...he actually did post that once again last night over on the pay board......
Just don't let defenses load the box and he'll be fine. You know, like a 4-2 or 3-3 nickel package. It really makes him want to pass into double and triple coverages with undeveloped QB's who need another season to mature into their roll.
Players will always need to execute better because the system works. Scoring 40 a game is easy based on 70 vs. patsies and 10 or so against loaded box defenses.
Best answer for it is to get some frat to unload the opposing team's boxes for them, so they can't put one on the field.
Players will always need to execute better because the system works. Scoring 40 a game is easy based on 70 vs. patsies and 10 or so against loaded box defenses.
Best answer for it is to get some frat to unload the opposing team's boxes for them, so they can't put one on the field.
Nah...over on the pay board they generally just ignore Plaino. Thought they will give him props when he makes a legitimate point. But that's not very often.
It was hyperbole, but then you guys as among the biggest Heupel bashers, especially the one who really is an idiot, like to make all sorts of accusations. It's funny, but the offense didn't perform much better last night, than it did when you guys were calling for Josh's scalp over the previous season or two, because you thought Josh was, "in over his head." I'm sure you never used any stronger language than that. I'm just thankful that you didn't blame the OC for OUr inability to block them at the point of attack, or pass block sufficient to keep Baker from running for his life.
I wasn't talking to you, anyway. The guy from Mizzou came over wondering what to expect from Josh, so I gave him my opinion. In your view, I guess I'm not allowed to do that. And I never used your names. But you immediately claimed innocence anyway.
Would you be less offended if I changed the post to read that you thought him an incompetent OC? I'll be happy to do that if it's that important to you.
I wasn't talking to you, anyway. The guy from Mizzou came over wondering what to expect from Josh, so I gave him my opinion. In your view, I guess I'm not allowed to do that. And I never used your names. But you immediately claimed innocence anyway.
Would you be less offended if I changed the post to read that you thought him an incompetent OC? I'll be happy to do that if it's that important to you.
Well, you do have the reputation of being a self proclaimed know it all. I love what Josh did as a player and as a position coach. Not so much a playcaller though. It is my opinion based on what I watched.
Yet when one takes a position such as I did, you call them an idiot and try to use that as the end all authority. When I posted links to articles written by former players or coaches, they are discarded like hearsay in a courtroom by you.
Does Dean Blevins, Barry Switzer, and/or Spencer Tillman have less knowledge of the game than you? When they are critical of the program are they idiots as well?
You can say that again. What's really funny, is Plaino goes around lying and making things up, yet has the gall to call others idiots. Maybe he should work on actually keeping his posts truthful before he goes around trying to belittle others in an attempt to make himself feel superior.
No actually the biggest Heupel basher is Bob Stoops. He fired his ass. But you just keep going on and on with trying to talk down to the posters around here that were critical of him during the 2014 season....his last.
It might not have been you, and it might not have been Billy Bob, but there were plenty of stronger claims about Josh as a play caller, that were a lot more negative than "I didn't love him as a play caller", especially after the losses. And both of you know that. Pretty sure I never called you an idiot. I tended to save that claim for those who specifically used similar language to bash one of OUr coaches. Fair for the goose, fair for the gander.
There has been an attitude on this board for most of the last decade, that a poster can say anything as harsh as they want about a staff member, because, "I'm entitled to my opinion." But if one uses similar language to describe them, then they get bent all out of shape.
If you keep your language in the "I didn't love" category, I do the same. I've called Dez Bryant an idiot. I've called Jerrah Jones one, most likely. There are Jerrah lovers here who hate that.
But the ongoing posts on this site that called Bob for sitting on his laurels and not giving it his best effort, questioned his integrity. And that's a stupid thing to do for two reasons. But I've explained that before.
I spent some time over the last two weeks interacting with some South Carolina fans, one of whom privately told me that they thought that Spurrier wasn't earning his money. I disagreed, but did it mildly because A. Steve's not my team's coach. B. He's no longer the coach, so it wouldn't hurt recruiting even if public and C.It was in private so it wouldn't matter anyway.
I've had private conversations with Sooner fans who don't really have close ties to the program, and many have expressed strong belief that Bob wasn't cutting it any more. I pretty firmly told them how much I disagreed with that. But I didn't call them any names because they didn't use them and because a private conversation doesn't affect the image of our staff.
But if anybody uses strong negative language about anybody on our staff, or questions their integrity, and my only regret is that more people aren't joining me to label that poster what they truly deserve.
Plaino, you may want to go get medically checked for the possible onset of dementia and/or Alzheimers. Not trying to troll, I'm legitimately concerned.
I never heard Bob say anything as negative about Josh as I've read from 200 different posters on this site. And nothing while he was still running our offense. You really don't get it, and likely never will. And while you and your buddies accuse me of talking down to you, you do the same to me consistently, and put your opinion as higher than particular coaches frequently.
When I defend Stoops about football decisions, and you strongly berate his performance, or defend others who do, then I'm pretty sure I'm on the right side of things. I'm very confident he knows a lot more about the decision than you do.
Billy Bob, when you go out of your way to bash me, such as in my reply in this thread that had nothing to do with you, then your crying over little details seems pretty hollow. Bob didn't ever bash Josh. I suspect he gave him a pretty strong recommendation for the Mizzou job, because that guy wouldn't have hired Josh without at least checking with Bob first.
I do have some challenges about name memory and it drives me crazy. And it's worse than it used to be. But I'm pretty sure that dementia isn't a big problem. Not yet, anyway. But I'm overwhelmed that you'd be concerned.
I do have some challenges about name memory and it drives me crazy. And it's worse than it used to be. But I'm pretty sure that dementia isn't a big problem. Not yet, anyway. But I'm overwhelmed that you'd be concerned.
Did Bob publicly say anything negative about ANY coach he has fired in the last 3-4 years prior to him canning him?? Didn't think so. Nice comeback, genius.
No I absolutely get it. It's called having an open mind about the product we see on the football field and discussing it on this forum. Some of us on here don't go around with our head so far up Bob Stoops' ass and calling OUs staff the "best staff in the country" year after year after year, even while coaches are getting shit canned. Talk about someone who doesn't get it...look in the mirror dude.
We are making progress. Yes, myself and others on this site question coaches and criticize certain things we see on the field during awful performances. But at least you are finally moving on from your usual claim that I always called for Bob to be fired. Maybe there is hope for you. And no doubt Bob knows a lot more about his program than I do...he also knows a lot more about it than YOU do as well. But the fact remains, Bob Stoops fired JH. Period. So that alone lends credibility to everyone who criticized and questioned JH's performance last year. Now I'm sorry if you don't get that, and you likely never will. But go ahead and keep telling yourself that you are on the right side of things....cuz the JH issue it's clear to everyone BUT you, that you were clearly on the wrong side.
Of course he would give a strong recommendation to JH. Why wouldn't he?? He's not going to hold a grudge and go out of his way to impede his coaching career. I have no doubt that firing JH was prolly the toughest decision Bob has had to make since coming to OU. But in the end, he had to be honest with himself about what was better for the program, and he had to remove his personal feelings from the equation. It was simply a decision about the OU program, and not a decision about whether he liked JH or not.
Guys thank you for your honest opinion about Josh the reason I came over and asked you because I looked at the stats the year he was fired and they were still pretty good in terms of offensive production. Look I'm just like every other fan of my team and not naive to think that stats tell the whole story or maybe it was just his time to go. I think a lot of times as fans we really don't know what happens behind the scenes. With the way Mizzou performed this year on off was atrocious and adding josh and his ability to develop QB's will be a boost. We do have a SEC caliber def so in the weaker of the two divisions anything is possible. Tenn should win the division, Florida loses mostly all of their defense and their most productive QB is no longer there, just like us having a new coach, no one knows how well smart will do his first year, muschamp is well, muschamp and then you have ken and vandy. So we will see. I'm just extremely happy with josh. Thanks for your honest opinions.
But you claimed Bob bashed him.
It's clear to everyone but me? Really. Billy Bob, you really believe that? I know that's not true, but you are more than a little full of yourself. Talk about talking down to other posters ...
WNAS, if you're going to quote somebody here, you shouldn't change the quote. If I'd done that when you were a mod, you've have banned me for a week. Maybe that's why they fired your ass.
LOL... I fixed another one of your lies. It's tiring, but you lie all the time dude. And then deny it to make yourself feel better. You won't accept this challenge, but please go find ANYWHERE from ANYTIME where someone, much less th consensus of this board has called JH an idiot.
For the record, I enjoyed the hell out of banning your azz. You deserved it and then you cried like a baby.
nah, that doesn't make me cry. But I hear you did a lot when you got fired. Heard it from multiple people. And you're still mad about it. You and your little coven lie about what you've said, then deny ever saying it, and then call those who call you out for it liars. It's an interesting strategy.
I don't know if you were the worst mod in board history, but you were surely the one with the shortest tenure. I guess sometimes, it's not great to be a record holder.
I don't know if you were the worst mod in board history, but you were surely the one with the shortest tenure. I guess sometimes, it's not great to be a record holder.
Bob didn't verbally bash JH, but firing a coach is in itself, a form of bashing since it lends credibility towards the idea that Bob wasn't happy with the results JH was putting on the field. Bob firing JH also lends enormous credibility towards the posters on this forum whom you think were idiots for questioning and/or criticizing JH in the first place. I'm really not even sure how this is confusing for you Plaino??
Prove you're not lying or STFU.
..and by the way, when you sleep w/ the devil, you can't expect God to pay your rent. Stop your exaggerated lies.
No you're not you're being a prick. That's not very amusing my mom died of Alzheimer's. That is not a cool thing to impress others reading your post. I know you're impressed with yourself but I'm not going for that nonsense. Karma would be a bitch with Alzheimer's. My mom was a court reporter and used shorthand for recording. You may talk smart now but you may become a vegetable some day as well.
How you take my post is up to you. But when I see someone post the same discredited things over and over and over, it reminds me of my own mother whom I am beginning to think has the same issues. So it's no laughing matter for me either. Plaino does like to post things about others that have been shown to be wrong numerous times in the past, yet he just keeps posting them. He likes to keep posting that our posts regarding coaches directly influence whether a recruit will sign with OU or not, even though that idea was completely discredited over on the pay board a while back. But he keeps saying it as if he is oblivious to it being proven to be wrong. I realize Plaino is NOT an idiot, so it's a legitimate concern as to why he sticks to his guns with such things that has been proven wrong. But like I said...you go ahead and take my post however you want.
Josh will have his work cut out for him with a pot fingered Mauck and a complete replacement of the OL. I would expect their offensive woes to carry over...for the next couple of years as Mizzou seems to struggle in an even weak SEC East. I don't know if I would have climbed aboard that grinding wheeled streetcar.
