Do y'all want Nebraska back in the B12 once their B10 GOR expires?
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22, no it doesn't mean Good Ol Roygbell. It means Grant of Rights.
Holy cow! What a catch. Nice to see you Roy.
Thanks for clearing that up Roy.
OK, I can answer the OP now. Yes.
I would think that having the Huskers back in the Big 12 would be ALMOST an unanimous vote of the current members. The only thing I would like to change from the previous format is for OU and Nebraska to be in the same division. I understand the dilemma that presents.
They wouldn't come unless Texas left. I'd be for both. Let UT go independent. It's a redundant statement, anyway.
Nebraska has Zero interested in joining the Big 12------ they will watch Texas destroy another conference from a distance. They will enjoy the BIG 10 Bucks!
It'll have to be reruns from the 2000's if you want to watch Texas destroy the conference.
Yes, I would love to see Nebraska come back to the B12, but no way in hell is that gonna happen.
Not sure why I feel this way, but in my world, I'd welcome back Nebraksa, but A&M, Mizzou and Colorado can stay gone. Go figure.....
Not sure why I feel this way, but in my world, I'd welcome back Nebraksa, but A&M, Mizzou and Colorado can stay gone. Go figure.....
Plaino you would be willing to let go of one of the greatest rivalries (ou/tx) in college football? I doubt we would be playing each other every year if we were both in different conferences. Its a shame to see so many great games not be played anymore
Beat me to it, PS. The Corn Folk LOATHE the Bongwhorn folk, in every way one can loathe.
Kinda like I do.
Neither school would ever allow that. It is their leverage to pry donation levels from their biggest boosters. But OU and UT seem to be on opposite sides of how best to move forward in the future.
It will make for a rocky paradigm.
Just remember; A Longhorn never leaves his good buddy's behind.
Oh, the importance of apostrophe placement in that statement.
No, they slice and dice them. And then throw the remains into an incinerator.
Hopefully you are right. I would hate to lose the Texas game along with Nebraska. All we would have left is our little brother every year
I believe that this rivalry is one of the few sacred cows remaining in the ever-changing world of CFB. I seriously doubt anything can destroy this game.
I don't know......we may still play, but it may not be on a yearly basis. A&M/Texas, Michigan/ND/, OU/Nebraska and a few others are sorely missed. I would hate to see the RRR fall into that category.
None of those rivalries has the same details as OU - Texas. Michigan - Notre Dame didn't play for longer than they played. They didn't play for ten years at the end of the 19th Century. They didn't play for six years from 1902 to 1908. They didn't play for 33 years from 1909 to 1942. Didn't play for 35 years after the 1943 game. In a rivalry that started in the late 1880s, nearly 130 years ago, they've played 42 times total.
A&M -Texas was close to OU-OSU. Played a lot, but one team won most of the games.
OU - Nebraska have only played ten times in the last 20 years, none in the last five and no more until 2021.
The nature of OU-Texas is different. And these days, both schools rely on each other, because the RRR is bigger than the sum of its parts. If OU went to the SEC without Texas, then maybe it would end. But I believe that is part of the reason we won't go to the SEC.
If Texas left and Nebraska returned, then there would be a good reason to keep playing Texas, for SOS purposes. I doubt either happens. But I'd be fine with that. It's a better scenario, then heading to the SEC, the ACC, the B1G or the Pac ##.
I wasn't trying to compare the number of times each of those teams competed against one another. Point is, they are (were) great rivalries that have fallen by the wayside because of conference realignment. If OU jumped ship to the SEC or the Pac 12 then I highly doubt we would be playing Texas every year and that would be a shame. I'm for remaining in the Big 12 and expanding the conference to a 12 team league. To answer the original posters question, yes I would love for Nebraska to rejoin the league.
But that was my point. It's not a great rivalry, in the sense that the RRR is a great rivalry, if only a third of your seasons historically include a game against that team. If you play somebody for 16 years in a row, that doesn't make it a great rivalry, except maybe in the sense that ESPN hypes it to be. I think most of us here, don't feel their PR of anything has much to it.
Most of the Michigan games against the Domers came in September. For me, that makes it almost no rivalry at all. Rivalry games ought to include more than a couple of years worth of bragging rights. And it's part of why they quit playing. It wasn't that big of a deal.Michigan haven't played a game that really mattered nationally since before the first national poll in the mid 30s.
There are some rivalries that will endure that forever. Army - Navy game is a rivalry, because A they've played each other every year since anyone living can remember and well before that, and B, because it's always the most important game on the schedule of both schools. That's a rivalry. And there are other factors. There are years when that game matters to most any football fan, because of things that have nothing to do with football. It matters.
It may not be a great rivalry, but Depauw vs Wabash is a rivalry. They're both division III. They've played each other every season since 1924. 88 of those seasons, it was the last game of the regular season for both schools.
When it comes to defining what a rivalry is, historical context matters. I would agree with your original statement, that losing OU - Nebraska was not a good thing. Most of us who care, would say that Nebraska was a much more important rivalry that OSU. But the break up of the old OU-NU tradition, for me is just another reason to hate UTexas. Since they've been OUr hated rival for more than a century, even when we took time off from playing them because the hatred spilled over back before the Depression, it just intensified that rivalry.
When I was growing up, the OU-Nebraska game was a much bigger game than Texas. Losing that game was a travesty. As I said, if we lose the RRR then we will be left with osu which, according to your reasoning, isn't much of a rivalry at all because they only have a hand full of wins.
Sorry, but in my world, OU-Texas has always been bigger. I've seen and heard "Texas Sucks" and seen the upside-down Horn logo a zillion times. I saw "Fusk the Huksters" shirts maybe 73 times.
Both games were huge, but for different reasons.
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When I was growing up in the 80's, the Nebraska/OU was always the game of the season. It was usually for the big 8 title and a trip to the Orange and possibly a NC. I honestly can't recall the Texas game being all that important other than being a rival. Texas just wasn't very good for most of the 70's and 80's
The financial basis for the entire athletic program at OU is the football program. And the basis for the income of the football program is the RRR. It is the leverage that the dept of athletics uses to maximize donations. Unless something catastrophic happens, neither OU nor UT is going to let that rivalry go away.
BW, I honestly don't think most fans of your age, and I don't know you age, specifically. But most OU fans of any age still living, have not considered the Nebraska game more important than the RRR, strictly from a fans point of view.
If we consider there to be three rivalries of the last 40 years to be RRR, Nebraska and OSU (and I don't consider OSU to be a football rivalry), then two of those three were not part of OUr conference for a long part of the games played. From 1928, when the Big 6 was formed, OSU wasn't part of OU's conference until 1960. We had sporadically been in the same conference before then, both in the old Southwest Conference and in the Missouri Valley Intercollegiate Athletic Association. But close to 40 of the games between OU and then Ok A&M, were not as members of the same conference.
OU and Texas weren't in the same conference for most of the first 90 years of the rivalry. Both were in the old SWC together from 1914 to 1919, but didn't even play each other while in the same conference in 1918 because of WWI. From 1920 to 1995, OU and Texas were hated rivals, but in different conferences. The point of this little history lesson, is that if OU and UT decided to be in different conferences, the rivalry won't go away, unless some enormously hard feelings come about. The health of both athletic departments is sourced in the RRR. And the fans enjoy it too much.
I could see the possibility of playing home and home as some future time. Likely some distant in the future time. But I'd sincerely doubt the rivalry would cease in either of our lifetimes, though I'm sure you'll last longer than I will.
BW, I honestly don't think most fans of your age, and I don't know you age, specifically. But most OU fans of any age still living, have not considered the Nebraska game more important than the RRR, strictly from a fans point of view.
If we consider there to be three rivalries of the last 40 years to be RRR, Nebraska and OSU (and I don't consider OSU to be a football rivalry), then two of those three were not part of OUr conference for a long part of the games played. From 1928, when the Big 6 was formed, OSU wasn't part of OU's conference until 1960. We had sporadically been in the same conference before then, both in the old Southwest Conference and in the Missouri Valley Intercollegiate Athletic Association. But close to 40 of the games between OU and then Ok A&M, were not as members of the same conference.
OU and Texas weren't in the same conference for most of the first 90 years of the rivalry. Both were in the old SWC together from 1914 to 1919, but didn't even play each other while in the same conference in 1918 because of WWI. From 1920 to 1995, OU and Texas were hated rivals, but in different conferences. The point of this little history lesson, is that if OU and UT decided to be in different conferences, the rivalry won't go away, unless some enormously hard feelings come about. The health of both athletic departments is sourced in the RRR. And the fans enjoy it too much.
I could see the possibility of playing home and home as some future time. Likely some distant in the future time. But I'd sincerely doubt the rivalry would cease in either of our lifetimes, though I'm sure you'll last longer than I will.
I'm 44 Plaino and when I began watching OU football in the late 70's, the game that everyone looked forward to every year was Nebraska. The game meant a lot more than Texas at the time because it was a conference game and Nebraska was just a lot better. Someones view probably has something to do with their age.
This same discussion (UT or NU) from back in 2007;
http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/showthread.php?96810-Who-is-OU-s-biggest-rival
http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/showthread.php?96810-Who-is-OU-s-biggest-rival
Texas and Oklahoma define each other and OU's recruiting presence in the state of Texas is facilitated more than any other way by OU's rivalry with Texas. Whatever happens with conference realignment in the future, I believe it is critical that OU and Texas maintain their rivalry, especially with Nebraska and ATM games no longer on the schedule and even with OSU's resurgence in recent years.
Once upon a time OU had two monster rivalries in Nebraska and Texas. Maybe I'm seeing this only as an Oklahoma fan, but what other team had more prolific....and very important....rivalry games each season ? Maybe Alabama vs Auburn and LSU ? Maybe Notre Dame vs USC and Michigan (before that rivalry vanished) ?, maybe Florida State vs Miami and Florida ?
And while the Army-Navy rivalry is intense, historical and colorful, there's nothing ever on the line these days with Army's desire to be non-competitive, based in part to what I believe are higher standards than the other military academies and the fact that West Point grads are much more likely to be put in harm's way once deployed. I was told in no uncertain terms by a West Point cadet that having a competitive team was "not what we're here for". I get that.
FWIW, I would like to see OU leave the "not-so-Big 12" and maintain out-of-conference games with Texas and O-State. Imagine playing in the Big 10, in the central time zone, and having games with Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Wisconsin, Rutgers (in the NYC area), Penn State, Maryland and Iowa. Generally, the cold weather some here are concerned with usually doesn't come until early to mid December. And if I were a player, I would prefer playing in cool/cold weather over playing in heat/humidity.
.The GOR is over rated and not nearly the obstacle as some would make you believe.
Every ACC school signed such an agreement. Any school that left had to pay 50 million. Can you say Maryland. They threaten to sue and settled for $20 million. Maryland will make up that cost in 2 short years in the big 10
Every ACC school signed such an agreement. Any school that left had to pay 50 million. Can you say Maryland. They threaten to sue and settled for $20 million. Maryland will make up that cost in 2 short years in the big 10
OU and KU would join Nebraska, Iowa and Wisconsin in the BIG West. We would face the annual winner between Ohio State, Michigan Michigan State (once in a while state penn) in Indy.
OU could keep their RRR with Texas and reap the benefits of such a large increase in revenues, they'd annually be in the top 5 (for income) to go with a strengthening academic profile.
The tea leaves are strongly leaning in that direction.
OU could keep their RRR with Texas and reap the benefits of such a large increase in revenues, they'd annually be in the top 5 (for income) to go with a strengthening academic profile.
The tea leaves are strongly leaning in that direction.
Uh.......no. I have no interest in playing Wisconsin or Iowa. State is bad enough. We are a southern team and recruits want to play in driving distance of their families. JMO.
Do you even know Barry Switzer's record against Texas? Can you say Earl Campbell?
Do you even know Barry's record against Nebraska? Gibbs abysmal record against Texas?
Barry always did say that the Nebraska game was more important because of conf title. But the best game / rivalry was OU / Texas
And regardless of conference the OU/Texas game will never end. Its to much money for both schools
Edit: and just to add to your silly comment about Texas not being good in the 70's. They won the title in 69. played for a title in 70 and could have won the title in 77. but ou got beat by roland sales and arkansas and ND and joe montana beat texas in the cotton bowl. and ND ends up winning the dang thing
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Just a quick glance of our football roster makes your last comment wrong. We had a guy from Baltimore Md that just graduated and another from there by way of juco. We have Mixon from California. We have several from florida. A few from Miss and Arizona, Virginia , Ohio, and Louisiana.
And thats only after a quick glance at the roster.
Kids want to play AND win
Point taken Md. I should have expanded my thought to include the core fan base and yeah that's the state of Oklahoma. I know for a fact many fans will go to TCU, Baylor, Tech and the state of Kansas to watch away games. I just don't see them going to Wisconsin or Iowa. We don't even draw a crowd for the Iowa State game.
I guess what I'm saying is a prefer to stay in the south. Good for our fans and good for our recruiting. I would hate to become the West Virginia of the B1G or PAC 10. JMO.
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