Conference restructuring and revamped playoffs...

[PtLavacaSooner]

No committees. No more unbalanced conferences. No more whining about "too many games..."

128 divided by 8 equals 16... So, I, the idiotic genius that I am, (yes, I came up with that on my own), propose the greatest solution known to man, EVER!!! Ha! Note: this requires special education, if you know what I mean...

It is simple. Create 8 super conferences that consist of two 8 team divisions. Limit the regular season to 11 games. 4 non-conference games and 7 conference games. The two division champs play to determine the conference champion. Tie breakers will be the same in all conferences, and not rely upon rankings from humans or human created computer models. Real stats/facts will be the determining factor.

8 conference champions play in 4 playoff games at neutral bowl game sites. No team will play on their home field in a playoff game, unless they happen to get to the NC game and that stadium is the host. It leaves the New Year's Six in place for quarter-final and semi-final rounds with a National Championship game to be awarded to the highest bidder, with it only being allowed at the same stadium once every four years.

Yes, this is crazy. Why? Because it makes sense. And sense is not a common thing anymore...

 

[nick614]

Why would the big guys want parity with the little guys? Doubt you will ever see 8 conferences with an automatic bid.

The PAC/B1G/SEC won't let that happen. IMO you will have 4 & the playoff will stay at 4, maybe go to 6 with 2 wildcard & top 2 seeds with a BYE with the first round being played on home fields.

IMO either the ACC or the Big12 wont be a major conference for much longer & right now the Big12 is in the lead for irrelevancy.

However, the ACC could still be the on to die as the B1G has eyes on UVA & UNC and the SEC would be happy to take two of FSU/Clemson/Georgia Tech

 

[PtLavacaSooner]

Why would the big guys want parity with the little guys? Doubt you will ever see 8 conferences with an automatic bid.

The PAC/B1G/SEC won't let that happen. IMO you will have 4 & the playoff will stay at 4, maybe go to 6 with 2 wildcard & top 2 seeds with a BYE with the first round being played on home fields.

IMO either the ACC or the Big12 wont be a major conference for much longer & right now the Big12 is in the lead for irrelevancy.

However, the ACC could still be the on to die as the B1G has eyes on UVA & UNC and the SEC would be happy to take two of FSU/Clemson/Georgia Tech

So if that happens, you already have two of the eight conferences formed with 16 teams... What stops the other conferences from following suit?

 

[humblesooner]

I think we are going to see contraction. We'll have four super conferences with two divisions of eight teams each. Conference Championship games are quarter finals. Total of 64 teams and those not included will become division 2 teams.

 

[nick614]

So if that happens, you already have two of the eight conferences formed with 16 teams... What stops the other conferences from following suit?

Nothing but the four 16 team "super" conferences will break from the NCAA & have their own rules etc. They don't want to split the revenue from the playoff 8 ways.

 

[PtLavacaSooner]

Nothing but the four 16 team "super" conferences will break from the NCAA & have their own rules etc. They don't want to split the revenue from the playoff 8 ways.

8 conference championship games equals more revenue. Nobody breaks from the NCAA.

Conferences: Yankee, Atlantic, Southwest, Central, Little 10+6, Big 16, SEC, Pacific...

Yankee:
Syracuse
Boston College
Penn State
Rutgers
U Mass
Army
Buffalo
U Conn
Navy
Temple
Maryland
Pitt
Old Dominion
Virginia
Virginia Tech
West Virginia

Atlantic:
Appalachian State
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
Florida International
Florida Atlantic
East Carolina
Central Florida
South Florida
Duke
Miami
Georgia Tech
North Carolina
Florida State
N.C. State
Wake Forest
Clemson

Southwest:
Baylor
SMU
Houston
texASS
Texas Tech
aTm
TCU
UTSA
Texas State
N.M. State
New Mexico
Rice
UTEP
UNT
ASU
Arizona

Central:
Notre Dame
Cincinnati
South Alabama
La. Monroe
La. Lafayette
Troy
Charlotte
Marshall
Kent State
Bowling Green
Ohio
Akron
Eastern Michigan
Ball State
Western Kentucky
Louisville

Little 10+6:
Central Michigan
Western Michigan
Michigan
Ohio State
Indiana
Michigan State
Toledo
Miami Ohio
Iowa State
Wisconsin
Iowa
Minnesota
Purdue
Northwestern
Illinois
Northern Illinois

Big 16:
Air Force
Arkansas
Tulsa
Arkansas State
Wyoming
BYU
Idaho
Boise State
Colorado State
Colorado
Missouri
Kansas
Kansas State
aOm
Oklahoma
Nebraska

SEC:
Tennessee
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
South Carolina
Vanderbilt
Southern Mississippi
Middle Tennessee
Tulane
Memphis
La. Tech
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
LSU
Auburn
Alabama

Pacific:
Utah State
San Jose State
Stanford
Washington
Wash. State
Oregon
Oregon State
California
Nevada
UNLV
USC
UCLA
SDSU
Utah
Fresno State
Hawaii

There they are...

 

[nick614]

8 conference championship games equals more revenue. Nobody breaks from the NCAA.

Conferences: Yankee, Atlantic, Southwest, Central, Little 10+6, Big 16, SEC, Pacific...

There they are...

I disagree, most of those games won't recreate much revenue and the revenue they did wouldn't be with splitting 8 ways instead of 4. Then the PAC/B1G won't allow a non AAU schools to join.

470 million a year is what the playoff deal is for now,

split 4 ways: 117.5 million
split 8 ways: 85.75 million

As you can see there is a big incentive to not allow parity. This is just common economic sense.

That is an extra ~ 2 million per year per school.

 

[Section22Sooner]

Then the PAC/B1G won't allow a non AAU schools to join.

Nebraska isn't an AAU member, and the Big 10 took them.

 

[nick614]

Nebraska isn't an AAU member, and the Big 10 took them.

They were when they joined. They lost AAU because they changed the formula with research & not counting off campus med centers

 

[CTOkie]

Interesting read by all.
But as far as I'm concerned, as it relates to OU, I want OU to leave the conference and enter the SEC. Right now, we are not even the best team in a weak conference....and being the best team in a weak conference has not served OU well as far as national championships are concerned. SEC membership would boost recruiting and energize the OU program.

 

[PtLavacaSooner]

I think we are going to see contraction. We'll have four super conferences with two divisions of eight teams each. Conference Championship games are quarter finals. Total of 64 teams and those not included will become division 2 teams.

So of my list of the 8 super conferences, how would you change them into 4? I see a couple of them as weaker, IMO, such as the Yankee and Central. All of them have weaklings. All of them have a more traditional power. Some have more, of course, and I tried to select them in a way to keep traditional rivalry matchups intact... For the most part, it was a pain in the ass. OU texASS can still be as a non conference game, and possible rematches exist for all the marbles.

 

[humblesooner]

So of my list of the 8 super conferences, how would you change them into 4? I see a couple of them as weaker, IMO, such as the Yankee and Central. All of them have weaklings. All of them have a more traditional power. Some have more, of course, and I tried to select them in a way to keep traditional rivalry matchups intact... For the most part, it was a pain in the ass. OU texASS can still be as a non conference game, and possible rematches exist for all the marbles.

Talking football only:
I haven't tried to break down the teams, but I think the B12 disperses.
For the sake of this discussion, keep the names of the other Power 5 conferences.
The Big 10 has 14 teams. Need to add two teams.
The ACC has 14 teams. Need to add two teams.
The SEC has 14 teams. Need to add two teams.
The Pac 12 has 12 teams. Need to add four teams.
Total of 10 to add.
You would include Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Texas somewhere.
Then you start asking questions about the next tier, starting with Big 12 - Ok St, Baylor, T Tech, Kansas State, TCU, WVU.
Then look at BYU as #10.

Now you look at all the rest of the teams who are not yet included.
For instance, if you think Houston or Cincinnati or Boise St or Iowa State.....have an argument, you decide which team they deserve to replace.
Teams in danger of elimination might include Vanderbilt, Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Maryland, Boston College, Syracuse, Wake Forest, Conn.

The current Power 5 teams that would end up not being included are teams that do not and have not contributed to the success of P5 football.

 

[PtLavacaSooner]

I disagree, most of those games won't recreate much revenue and the revenue they did wouldn't be with splitting 8 ways instead of 4. Then the PAC/B1G won't allow a non AAU schools to join.

470 million a year is what the playoff deal is for now,

split 4 ways: 117.5 million
split 8 ways: 85.75 million

As you can see there is a big incentive to not allow parity. This is just common economic sense.

That is an extra ~ 2 million per year per school.

It's already split amongst the power 5, regardless of whether you have a team in the playoff...

"Playoff Revenue Pool: Each of the Big 5 conferences will receive an estimated $50 million, whether or not it qualifies a team for the playoffs. An estimated $6 million bonus will be paid for each team a conference sends to the semifinals, $4 million for participating in one of the “Big 6 Bowls”, but no additional dollars for reaching the championship game where each school will receive an estimated $2 million for expenses. Each of the “Group of 5” conferences (American, CUSA, MAC, MWC, Sun Belt), will receive an estimated $18 million each, Notre Dame will receive an estimated $3.75 million, and remaining independents will bag roughly $1.85 million each. Big 6 bowls that don’t host a semifinal game, will split additional revenue with the participating teams/conferences"

The idea that no more money would come forth to an expanded playoff is absurd... Why? Well, look at what happened after the BCS ended and the playoff began...

http://www.outkickthecoverage.com/c...kes-every-conference-richer-except-one-050415

Only one conference makes less, and that is from restructuring the Big Least into the American... The bottom 4 All more than doubled their revenues, some more than quadrupled them... Those pesky facts again...

 

[nick614]

It's already split amongst the power 5, regardless of whether you have a team in the playoff...

The idea that no more money would come forth to an expanded playoff is absurd... Why? Well, look at what happened after the BCS ended and the playoff began...

I mean just read your post. Split 5 ways, I said it is about profit so it will be split 4 ways. Already more money. Also who is going to pay to watch all those garbage teams?

You seem to forget the next cfb contract wont include subsidy by everyone having cable because only cfb fans will buy sports packages to stream them. So you are only going to have teams that have enough interest of paying fans.

How much value do schools like Tulane, Fresno State, SDSU, Arkansas St, etc add?? You get the point.

College football is a business if you think Ohio St, Oklahoma, Texas, Bama etc are taking less to give to those schools you are smoking some good shit!!!

And if you think I'm being dumb ask your AD or school president if he would take 2-4 million less guaranteed revenue a year to give to the ilk of Tulsa and Fresno St, ask him, & see what he says.

Edit::

Heck I'll even go a step further & say schools like that won't even have D1 programs period. And it has nothing to do with cfb or realignment.

It has to do with our friend "college affordability"

Both political parties have agreed the cost of college is wayyyyy too high. Guess what the first thing to do go is??

The minority cultural enrichment dean? HELL no. It is giving money to sports. I predict a huge wake up call for college sports in general on this front. The free ride is about to end.

 

[PtLavacaSooner]

I mean just read your post. Split 5 ways, I said it is about profit so it will be split 4 ways. Already more money. Also who is going to pay to watch all those garbage teams?

You seem to forget the next cfb contract wont include subsidy by everyone having cable because only cfb fans will buy sports packages to stream them. So you are only going to have teams that have enough interest of paying fans.

How much value do schools like Tulane, Fresno State, SDSU, Arkansas St, etc add?? You get the point.

College football is a business if you think Ohio St, Oklahoma, Texas, Bama etc are taking less to give to those schools you are smoking some good shit!!!

And if you think I'm being dumb ask your AD or school president if he would take 2-4 million less guaranteed revenue a year to give to the ilk of Tulsa and Fresno St, ask him, & see what he says.

Well, read the post. Read the links. Then continue to smoke the crap you obviously have. By expanding to the playoff from the fallible BCS, we have almost doubled the incomes to the power 5, and quadrupled it or better to 3 of the lower tier conferences. More playoff games create more revenue. They also eliminate the human factor of who is more worthy.

Your business economic sense is laughable...