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How Much More Talent Does OU Have vs UT? (Thread Title)
https://texas.forums.rivals.com/threads/how-much-more-talent-does-ou-have-vs-ut.380162/
Position by position how much of a talent advantage do they have?
Is Lincoln Riley that much more superior to Tom Herman?
Sometimes I just can’t understand how OU is so consistently better than Texas?
Almost ever year I think the tide is going to turn....we pull a Charlie Brown
I just don’t get it anymore.
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The biggest talent gap is in the coaching staffs.
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Depends. How big is your trailer OP? Is it bigger than your neighbor’s?
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OU didnt suffer thru 3 yrs of CS.
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No, Lincoln Riley isn’t that much more talented than Tom Herman. The difference is Lincoln Riley carries a playbook book in his hands during games and calls his own plays. If TH would do the same, I am confident we would see much different results.
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Riley has been there for years. Since charlie was here
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More like despondent
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Since I started following the rivalry (and living and dying by it) my freshman year (1990):
Texas 13 wins
Oklahoma 14 wins
One tie.
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Boom! Roasted!
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@Ketchum had an interesting take on why Herman doesn’t want the playbook in the podcast. Said Herman was not confident in his play calling ability. Good potential reason imo.
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That’s part of the problem with this fan base, myself included. We think we’re so much better than OU or should be Bama, when in reality if we’re being honest even when we had VY and Colt we didn’t own this conference or beat OU consistently like they’ve done in what seems like forever.
Seeing as how both schools typically go after the same recruits I’d say the answer is simple, better coaching and overall superior qb play year end and year out.
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Charlie Strong was our John Blake.
For them, they hired stoops after Blake.
Us? Doubt Herman is as good as stoops. GUARANTEE stoops wouldn’t have kept an OC that bad.
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Or the more obvious is the system was already in place as well as the talent. Wash, rinse, repeat.
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Better evaluators and developers of talent. That is what coaches do.
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Yes...I just don’t get why....with our resources, size, etc
This Maryland loss really through me off
Got my hopes up...shouldn’t do that
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The talent difference is in the coaching staff
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It's all cycles with Oklahoma being up now and Texas on its way up there too after too many years on a down slide.We have the talent and coaching.Bet on it.
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Stoops was best at finding and hiring OCs that could light up the scoreboard.
That and eating record amounts of cawk.
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We have equal player talent, it’s the coaching/scheme that they have way better than us
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Are we on our way tho ?
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and Wr's and Qb's and Rb's and Oline.......
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Miles more on the OL/DL. And their WR/RB are way better IMO.
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I think the biggest difference is the OU kids know how to win. They continue to have better qbs than we have had since Colt.
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CS doesn’t have anything to do with the crap from last weekend.
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It's not so much that they have more talent. But they get the ball to their play makers more than a couple of times a game. We have people capable of being game breakers. We rarely give them the chance.
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OU has had multiple yeRs of competent QB play.
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Very similar overall talent. However, The team with most talent at QB usually wins, and they have been more talented than us at that position the past several years. Unfortunately, this year Murray talent > Sam talent.
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Good reason indeed. However, I’m not so sure that is the case. Isn’t coordinating an offense, grooming QBs’s, and most of all calling plays Herman’s calling card? The man has had success calling plays to win big games.
My guess is he is stuck in head coach/CEO mode and as we all know, you have to be to be successful at Texas right (heavy sarcasm)??
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SMDH. Herman needs to call the freaking plays now and until he can get some other pieces in place.. then relinquish those duties and fall back into full CEO mode.
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3 heisman trophy Qb's in last 15 yrs- seem to have developed into QBU
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The thing I cant understand is Herman has come in & replicated Charlie's mistake.
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Garbage. Stoops took over after 3 years of John Blake at OU who won 12 games in 3 years. Saban took over after 3 years of Mike Shula at Alabama who won a grand total of 10 games. One won the national championship in his 2nd season and the other went 12-2. I don't see us matching either and neither of those coaches would have trotted out our illustrious OC for a second season. I have seen a lot of spin on our game last week but the reality is that we lost to a team that is not very good unless they are playing us.
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Yes, even the coach of the Super Bowl Champion Eagles is not too proud to call plays from the sideline. However, TH. different story. TH needs to get over himself.
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Was at a function tonight and asked Ricky Williams a very similar question. I asked about the talent gap between today’s team and the 2009 team. He was very clear that there was zero difference, it was a losing mentality that is holding them back. He said it’s hard to change the mindset.
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I was just thinking about the same thing today myself? Great minds I guess Lol. Seriously though Zero U runs the same offense every year but no matter who they lose like Mayfield etc they just plug and play and they have been beating us for a long time for the most part. They seem to get and delvelope new QBs every year and we struggle for the last what 6 years or so? It just doesn't make any sense we hire a defensive minded coach in Strong and that's our weakest side of the ball. We hire a offensive minded coach and now the offense is our weakest side of the ball. Does any of this sound coincidence? It's time to hire a real coach with NC experience and quit bringing in the hot coordinators because it's such a crap shoot going from a small program to a power 5 school.
I wish Herman nothing but good luck and obviously I hope he wins here but I just don't believe at this point he has the stomach to fire Beck or his other UH cronies which will be his downfall. The coach we should go after next and back the truck up to is Dabo. As much as I hate to admit it also Aggy is on fire and they have hit a home run hiring Jumbo and moving to the SEC. Kids from Texas love playing in the SEC no matter what some of you homers say and we would crush it in the SEC but some of you guys wanna go Pac12 and Big 10 they are joke leagues no league gets the attention that the SEC does period. We are our worst own enemy thinking we are Texas and the SEC is below our standards,
That's a joke. We should push hard to get into SEC and crush Aggy again like the old days, if we don't our pride will be our downfall and we will die on the irrelevant vine in the Big12 mark my words, we already are now. Aggy is controlling Texas recruits at the moment. I know some of you will laugh and say it's a pipe dream and Texas is so much smarter than SEC schools. If you haven't noticed these young kids haven't seen Texas win in over a decade and don't even really think Texas can win any longer, they are going with the hot hand and right now it's Aggy and SEC.
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As bad as it was at both those schools, neither Blake or Shula left the program with a scorched earth mindset. It made for a more difficult transition. Other than QB, there has been marked improvement in the offense. Defense suffered a huge loss in talent. Orlando will get it going. No, we wont get 12 wins this year, but that is highly likely next year.
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That is ridiculous. We have a great potential wide receiver group. They have a receiver drafted high every year. We have good potential at running back. They have one or two drafted high every year. Same with o-line. And defense.
They get talent that is then developed. Watch their quickness.
I firmly believe we have several freshmen with quicks equal to ou sux.
We are improving, and will grow this year. Not sure if Lincoln logs isa long sterm answer. But he might be.
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Herman’s career is looking no where near Stoops at the same point. He won a championship his second year. We just lost to Maryland. Sad
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We hire OCs that they fire.
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Or, if he insists on NOT doing that, he should hire a competent OC. What I saw on Saturday, except for the stretch where Tom took over, was the same crap I saw last year. 3 and out after 3 and out, an entire half go by with one offensive score - FREAKING BRUTAL –
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Better and consistent QB play is a huge part of it.
We took Garrett Gilbert, the Gatorade National Player of the Year, and won five freaking games.
They converted Paul Thompson from WR to QB and won the Big 12
Unreal.
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SMH, the old trailer comeback...OU has a far superior football program and culture in place, that’s it in a nutshell.
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OU is a football school. Period. They are 100% committed to it. Texas isn’t. We want to be Sears Cup champions, and the Harvard of the south.
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The first part of your post was very good and I think a lot of what you say is correct. The part about the conference is really just the same ol crap SEC this and that. The conference is not our problem, winning is our problem. Aggy is getting a huge bounce off of Fishers first year, we knew they would. Once we get to winning, (this year) then things will start to change pretty quickly. Everybody needs to calm down and things will turn out good this season, I really believe that. Look at OU, do they have any issues after just playing in the playoffs? I think not, and that would be us, (3 times over) if we had made the playoffs. If anything I believe if ou had been in the SEC last season, they wouldn't have gone to the playoffs. There's no way that all those teams can be in the SEC and have a chance to succeed for championships. I'm telling you, everything will be awesome once we start winning, period. If we were to win a NC this season, you think anybody would be worried about what conference we were in? Of course not. I notice ou fans don't care about that right now either.
It's all about the programs, not the conferences. Look at the B1G right now, they're all doing great and they were left for dead a few years ago. We just need to win, and hopefully that will happen this season. Then everything will be great back on the 40 acres. We may end up changing conferences down the road, but we will still be Texas no matter where we are. We win, and we will always be the "the bell cow". Just win baby...
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Probably should learn how to win the Big 12 before we take on the SEC West.
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3 heisman trophy Qb's in last 15 yrs- seem to have developed into QBU
Why though ?
It wasn’t just dumb luck - was is it?
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WE'll all know RR weekend
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Their basketball seems to consistently better than us too
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I just ignored him. I live in New York.
Don’t think I’ve ever seen a trailer in real life, but it probably makes his small life feel better. Kind of sad, really.
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They have players drafted bc they have a system and call plays that allow those talented players to be properly utilized and put up #s, it’s pretty simple
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Lincoln inherited a pretty good team.
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We need a system then...
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Our guys never look that motivated...they never son to care as much as OU
They had no heart/passion vs Maryland where as OU always seems to play with their hair on fire
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Talent is equal. It's just that their "effort" meter is properly calibrated. Ours is still a work in progress apparently.
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They’ve had the same offensive system for 20 years. They recruit to it and develop to it. Same for defense for that matter. Consistency. Even in our hey day in 2001-2009, we didn’t have a consistent offensive system. We just recruited them figured out what to do with them. I give GD credit for that.
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IMO talent isn't equal, They have us on QB play, they have us OL play and RB and Coaching, Riley is turning out to be the QB whisperer. Our offense minded coach has no mojo and hired the worst OC to coach our kids.
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This years team loses 3 of their five ol starters and the whole starting dL, our best linebacker and and both starting cornerbacks. What ou and Alabama both had in their second seasons was excellent offensive coordinators. Our’s is one of the worst in the conference.
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Rice is the Harvard of the South.
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This. I think he will be at the top of a lot of programs HC list. If he gets poached then we are in bad shape.
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I still think that’s a coaching/scheme thing and not being very confident in the offense regardless of what they say to the media
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Not if his D plays the way it did last week, I was more disappointed in them than the offense , 29 should be enough to beat md
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I dunno that I fully agree, I think it’s the scheme, I think both Ehlinger and Buechele would have much better stats if they were in that offense coached by Lincoln Riley, I think if Lincoln Riley coached our offense we’d put up just as many points as they do
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Stop it... its been almost 9 years since Texas was relevant.
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The thing I cant understand is Herman has come in & replicated Charlie's mistake.
Like the exact same mistakes. It's deja vu!
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Was at a function tonight and asked Ricky Williams a very similar question. I asked about the talent gap between today’s team and the 2009 team. He was very clear that there was zero difference, it was a losing mentality that is holding them back. He said it’s hard to change the mindset.
I'll bet that was a blast OP.
I posted this before. Roy Miller was interviewed after a game .He was pissed, dissapointed, and dead serious, saying the team had to work harder, made too many mistakes , and was not focused etc etc. and THEY HAD JUST WON. That's a winning culture. When he left in 08 he had experienced 7 total losses in FOUR years and won a NC. They expected to win. This senior class has almost lost that EVERY single year to date. They have 21 losses in 3 years and one game.They don't expect to win when it's crunch time.
I respectfully disagree w/ Ricky on the O line. As Marcus Meyers said on his Podcast...we seem to have some "really nice guys " on he O line vs the we're gonna kick your ass big nasties he was used to playing with. OU has some maulers still.
we lost to a team that is not very good unless they are playing us.
People keep saying this. You can’t know this is true. I could give arguments on them being better than their record last year, just as I could give arguments on how we were better than our record last year.
Bottom line is this. We will have to see how good of a team we can become. We will have to see how good of a team Maryland becomes (if you care to, because, frankly.. I
don’t). We lost game one and they won gone one, that’s all we know right now. The rest is yet to be seen.
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Better and consistent QB play is a huge part of it.
We took Garrett Gilbert, the Gatorade National Player of the Year, and won five freaking games.
They converted Paul Thompson from WR to QB and won the Big 12
Unreal.
Well, since you put it that way.. damn.
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Since I started following the rivalry (and living and dying by it) my freshman year (1990):
Texas 13 wins
Oklahoma 14 wins
One tie.
Best post on this thread.
Gives perspective on the head-to-head rivalry.
This rivalry has a history of running in cycles...one team goes on a good run for a number of years...then vice versa.
But OU isn't the issue. The overall football culture has to return to what it was 8-9 years ago. The work-your-ass-off, knock-somebody out, refuse to lose mentality that permeated every aspect of the program has to return. Tom Herman seems like the type of man and coach that can lead that culture-shift. We'll see.
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QBs and RBs
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As bad as it was at both those schools, neither Blake or Shula left the program with a scorched earth mindset. It made for a more difficult transition. Other than QB, there has been marked improvement in the offense. Defense suffered a huge loss in talent. Orlando will get it going. No, we wont get 12 wins this year, but that is highly likely next year.
How the hell do you know that? Were you there during alabama's era of futility with Shula, or OU's dumpster fire with Blake.
Continuing to make CS the sacrificial scapegoat - acting like he's the worst thing to happen to any football program ever - just perpetuates the excuse-making mindset.
The culture shifted around 2010/2011 and nobody knows exactly why. Mack couldn't fix it and neither could charlie. We'll see if Tom can, but it won't happen with excuses. If he can somehow re-instill the highest level of accountability within the program, beginning with himself, things can really change in a big way.
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Tom has only been here a year and a game. I know I am in the minority, but I believe he will get it done. I don't judge a coach on his press conferences. The season is young. I still think we will improve from last year.
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Bottom line is this. We will have to see how good of a team we can become. We will have to see how good of a team Maryland becomes (if you care to, because, frankly.. I don’t). We lost game one and they won gone one, that’s all we know right now. The rest is yet to be seen.
uh they lost 5 games by 25 points and two by 48 or more last year and lost 7 of their last 8 and only one of those losses was not by double digits and that was a 7 point loss to 4-8 Rutgers.
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Oline, QB and RB pretty substantial imo. Defense we may have an edge.
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I know this is a BlowU thread but let’s just look at this recruiting comparison for the team we just played.
Year. Texas. Maryland
2018. 4. 29
2017. 31. 17
2016. 11. 39
2015. 12. 54
2014. 20. 53
2013. 24. 33
Average. 37.5. 17
If you believe the recruiting experts Texas has no coaching.
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uh they lost 5 games by 25 points and two by 48 or more last year and lost 7 of their last 8 and only one of those losses was not by double digits and that was a 7 point loss to 4-8 Rutgers.
Sure. But they lost both relatively dynamic QB’s for the season, on top of having an average defense. And they only lost to 2 unranked oponents, one of which is Michigan.
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I know this is a BlowU thread but let’s just look at this recruiting comparison for the team we just played.
Year. Texas. Maryland
2018. 4. 29
2017. 31. 17
2016. 11. 39
2015. 12. 54
2014. 20. 53
2013. 24. 33
Average. 37.5. 17
If you believe the recruiting experts Texas has no coaching.
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This.
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and they lost to all 6 ranked opponents and 5 of them were blow outs. They have won 33 games in the last 7 years as an FYI.
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It wasn’t just dumb luck - was is it?
It has not ALL been luck, but some of it has. Luck or interference:
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and they lost to all 6 ranked opponents and 5 of them were blow outs. They have won 33 games in the last 7 years as an FYI.
Preaching to the choir. Did you watch the game? Their players were electric compared to ours.
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Preaching to the choir. Did you watch the game? Their players were electric compared to ours.
Yeah does not say much for our coaching does it?
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Yeah does not say much for our coaching does it?
Bingo. Exactly. We need to get better coaching going on yesterday. Most of this stupid shit is fixable now. The rotation of running backs and tight ends? Fixable.
You know how in coaching pee-wee you call a run to the right, it gets you 4 yards.. and.. you run it again. 4 more yards. You run it again...
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I dunno that I fully agree, I think it’s the scheme, I think both Ehlinger and Buechele would have much better stats if they were in that offense coached by Lincoln Riley, I think if Lincoln Riley coached our offense we’d put up just as many points as they do
Maybe but they still have a better coach and QB and RB and OL. Herman's stubbornness to not see that Beck doesn't have it and or get rid of dead weight coaches and go out and get the best assistants will cost him his job in the end. He should have already come out and announced he is the OC play caller and go upbeat tempo. If we come out and barely beat Tulsa and look flat,heads should roll. We could easily finish behind OU,OSU,TCU,WVU,and maybe ISU also. We have to get our running game going to open up the receivers or we are doomed.
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Maybe but they still have a better coach and QB and RB and OL. Herman's stubbornness to not see that Beck doesn't have it and or get rid of dead weight coaches and go out and get the best assistants will cost him his job in the end. He should have already come out and announced he is the OC play caller and go upbeat tempo. If we come out and barely beat Tulsa and look flat,heads should roll. We could easily finish behind OU,OSU,TCU,WVU,and maybe ISU also. We have to get our running game going to open up the receivers or we are doomed.
On the first part , again I dunno that we can say they have the better qb, how do we know their qbs wouldn’t look just as bad or worse in our offenses over the years? And how do we know our qbs wouldn’t look better than theirs in their offense? I think Buechele for example would be awesome in that or the art briles offense.. furthermore , what if Ehlinger was running a zone-read uptempo offense , might he be much more effective and actually look like a solid qb? Well never know cuz our scheme sucks and is basic and would only work with Alabama , Ohio state type talent
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Position by position how much of a talent advantage do they have?
Is Lincoln Riley that much more superior to Tom Herman?
Sometimes I just can’t understand how OU is so consistently better than Texas?
Almost ever year I think the tide is going to turn....we pull a Charlie Brown
I just don’t get it anymore.
Beats me. Ask 'em on SoonerScoop
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On the first part , again I dunno that we can say they have the better qb, how do we know their qbs wouldn’t look just as bad or worse in our offenses over the years? And how do we know our qbs wouldn’t look better than theirs in their offense? I think Buechele for example would be awesome in that or the art briles offense
On the second part I agree, I saw one of the mods mention Herman might b afraid to take full control or mention it publicly that he has in case they continue to suck cuz then people would question if he is even a decent offensive mind let alone hc, I think that’s a pretty good guess at why he hasn’t just outright taken over duties from the sideline even if he has behind closed doors
I just look at Murray's game last week and he killed it, Murray is just a much better athlete and QB then our guys system or not. I mean their offense had 9 touch downs and over 600 yards. Herman is supposed to be an offensive Guru,that's why we hired him but yet that's our weakest link. Go figure!
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Tom has only been here a year and a game. I know I am in the minority, but I believe he will get it done. I don't judge a coach on his press conferences. The season is young. I still think we will improve from last year.
Riley has also only been coach for one year and look at the two records. We just keep making the same coaching hire mistakes. If Herman fails we need to make an offer Dabo can't refuse period.
How Much More Talent Does OU Have vs UT? (Thread Title)
https://texas.forums.rivals.com/threads/how-much-more-talent-does-ou-have-vs-ut.380162/
Position by position how much of a talent advantage do they have?
Is Lincoln Riley that much more superior to Tom Herman?
Sometimes I just can’t understand how OU is so consistently better than Texas?
Almost ever year I think the tide is going to turn....we pull a Charlie Brown
I just don’t get it anymore.
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The biggest talent gap is in the coaching staffs.
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Depends. How big is your trailer OP? Is it bigger than your neighbor’s?
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OU didnt suffer thru 3 yrs of CS.
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No, Lincoln Riley isn’t that much more talented than Tom Herman. The difference is Lincoln Riley carries a playbook book in his hands during games and calls his own plays. If TH would do the same, I am confident we would see much different results.
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Riley has been there for years. Since charlie was here
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More like despondent
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Since I started following the rivalry (and living and dying by it) my freshman year (1990):
Texas 13 wins
Oklahoma 14 wins
One tie.
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Boom! Roasted!
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@Ketchum had an interesting take on why Herman doesn’t want the playbook in the podcast. Said Herman was not confident in his play calling ability. Good potential reason imo.
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That’s part of the problem with this fan base, myself included. We think we’re so much better than OU or should be Bama, when in reality if we’re being honest even when we had VY and Colt we didn’t own this conference or beat OU consistently like they’ve done in what seems like forever.
Seeing as how both schools typically go after the same recruits I’d say the answer is simple, better coaching and overall superior qb play year end and year out.
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Charlie Strong was our John Blake.
For them, they hired stoops after Blake.
Us? Doubt Herman is as good as stoops. GUARANTEE stoops wouldn’t have kept an OC that bad.
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Or the more obvious is the system was already in place as well as the talent. Wash, rinse, repeat.
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Better evaluators and developers of talent. That is what coaches do.
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Yes...I just don’t get why....with our resources, size, etc
This Maryland loss really through me off
Got my hopes up...shouldn’t do that
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The talent difference is in the coaching staff
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It's all cycles with Oklahoma being up now and Texas on its way up there too after too many years on a down slide.We have the talent and coaching.Bet on it.
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Stoops was best at finding and hiring OCs that could light up the scoreboard.
That and eating record amounts of cawk.
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We have equal player talent, it’s the coaching/scheme that they have way better than us
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Are we on our way tho ?
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and Wr's and Qb's and Rb's and Oline.......
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Miles more on the OL/DL. And their WR/RB are way better IMO.
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I think the biggest difference is the OU kids know how to win. They continue to have better qbs than we have had since Colt.
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CS doesn’t have anything to do with the crap from last weekend.
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It's not so much that they have more talent. But they get the ball to their play makers more than a couple of times a game. We have people capable of being game breakers. We rarely give them the chance.
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OU has had multiple yeRs of competent QB play.
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Very similar overall talent. However, The team with most talent at QB usually wins, and they have been more talented than us at that position the past several years. Unfortunately, this year Murray talent > Sam talent.
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Good reason indeed. However, I’m not so sure that is the case. Isn’t coordinating an offense, grooming QBs’s, and most of all calling plays Herman’s calling card? The man has had success calling plays to win big games.
My guess is he is stuck in head coach/CEO mode and as we all know, you have to be to be successful at Texas right (heavy sarcasm)??
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SMDH. Herman needs to call the freaking plays now and until he can get some other pieces in place.. then relinquish those duties and fall back into full CEO mode.
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3 heisman trophy Qb's in last 15 yrs- seem to have developed into QBU
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The thing I cant understand is Herman has come in & replicated Charlie's mistake.
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Garbage. Stoops took over after 3 years of John Blake at OU who won 12 games in 3 years. Saban took over after 3 years of Mike Shula at Alabama who won a grand total of 10 games. One won the national championship in his 2nd season and the other went 12-2. I don't see us matching either and neither of those coaches would have trotted out our illustrious OC for a second season. I have seen a lot of spin on our game last week but the reality is that we lost to a team that is not very good unless they are playing us.
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Yes, even the coach of the Super Bowl Champion Eagles is not too proud to call plays from the sideline. However, TH. different story. TH needs to get over himself.
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Was at a function tonight and asked Ricky Williams a very similar question. I asked about the talent gap between today’s team and the 2009 team. He was very clear that there was zero difference, it was a losing mentality that is holding them back. He said it’s hard to change the mindset.
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I was just thinking about the same thing today myself? Great minds I guess Lol. Seriously though Zero U runs the same offense every year but no matter who they lose like Mayfield etc they just plug and play and they have been beating us for a long time for the most part. They seem to get and delvelope new QBs every year and we struggle for the last what 6 years or so? It just doesn't make any sense we hire a defensive minded coach in Strong and that's our weakest side of the ball. We hire a offensive minded coach and now the offense is our weakest side of the ball. Does any of this sound coincidence? It's time to hire a real coach with NC experience and quit bringing in the hot coordinators because it's such a crap shoot going from a small program to a power 5 school.
I wish Herman nothing but good luck and obviously I hope he wins here but I just don't believe at this point he has the stomach to fire Beck or his other UH cronies which will be his downfall. The coach we should go after next and back the truck up to is Dabo. As much as I hate to admit it also Aggy is on fire and they have hit a home run hiring Jumbo and moving to the SEC. Kids from Texas love playing in the SEC no matter what some of you homers say and we would crush it in the SEC but some of you guys wanna go Pac12 and Big 10 they are joke leagues no league gets the attention that the SEC does period. We are our worst own enemy thinking we are Texas and the SEC is below our standards,
That's a joke. We should push hard to get into SEC and crush Aggy again like the old days, if we don't our pride will be our downfall and we will die on the irrelevant vine in the Big12 mark my words, we already are now. Aggy is controlling Texas recruits at the moment. I know some of you will laugh and say it's a pipe dream and Texas is so much smarter than SEC schools. If you haven't noticed these young kids haven't seen Texas win in over a decade and don't even really think Texas can win any longer, they are going with the hot hand and right now it's Aggy and SEC.
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As bad as it was at both those schools, neither Blake or Shula left the program with a scorched earth mindset. It made for a more difficult transition. Other than QB, there has been marked improvement in the offense. Defense suffered a huge loss in talent. Orlando will get it going. No, we wont get 12 wins this year, but that is highly likely next year.
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That is ridiculous. We have a great potential wide receiver group. They have a receiver drafted high every year. We have good potential at running back. They have one or two drafted high every year. Same with o-line. And defense.
They get talent that is then developed. Watch their quickness.
I firmly believe we have several freshmen with quicks equal to ou sux.
We are improving, and will grow this year. Not sure if Lincoln logs isa long sterm answer. But he might be.
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Herman’s career is looking no where near Stoops at the same point. He won a championship his second year. We just lost to Maryland. Sad
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We hire OCs that they fire.
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Or, if he insists on NOT doing that, he should hire a competent OC. What I saw on Saturday, except for the stretch where Tom took over, was the same crap I saw last year. 3 and out after 3 and out, an entire half go by with one offensive score - FREAKING BRUTAL –
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Better and consistent QB play is a huge part of it.
We took Garrett Gilbert, the Gatorade National Player of the Year, and won five freaking games.
They converted Paul Thompson from WR to QB and won the Big 12
Unreal.
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SMH, the old trailer comeback...OU has a far superior football program and culture in place, that’s it in a nutshell.
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OU is a football school. Period. They are 100% committed to it. Texas isn’t. We want to be Sears Cup champions, and the Harvard of the south.
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The first part of your post was very good and I think a lot of what you say is correct. The part about the conference is really just the same ol crap SEC this and that. The conference is not our problem, winning is our problem. Aggy is getting a huge bounce off of Fishers first year, we knew they would. Once we get to winning, (this year) then things will start to change pretty quickly. Everybody needs to calm down and things will turn out good this season, I really believe that. Look at OU, do they have any issues after just playing in the playoffs? I think not, and that would be us, (3 times over) if we had made the playoffs. If anything I believe if ou had been in the SEC last season, they wouldn't have gone to the playoffs. There's no way that all those teams can be in the SEC and have a chance to succeed for championships. I'm telling you, everything will be awesome once we start winning, period. If we were to win a NC this season, you think anybody would be worried about what conference we were in? Of course not. I notice ou fans don't care about that right now either.
It's all about the programs, not the conferences. Look at the B1G right now, they're all doing great and they were left for dead a few years ago. We just need to win, and hopefully that will happen this season. Then everything will be great back on the 40 acres. We may end up changing conferences down the road, but we will still be Texas no matter where we are. We win, and we will always be the "the bell cow". Just win baby...
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Probably should learn how to win the Big 12 before we take on the SEC West.
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3 heisman trophy Qb's in last 15 yrs- seem to have developed into QBU
Why though ?
It wasn’t just dumb luck - was is it?
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WE'll all know RR weekend
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Their basketball seems to consistently better than us too
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I just ignored him. I live in New York.
Don’t think I’ve ever seen a trailer in real life, but it probably makes his small life feel better. Kind of sad, really.
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They have players drafted bc they have a system and call plays that allow those talented players to be properly utilized and put up #s, it’s pretty simple
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Lincoln inherited a pretty good team.
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We need a system then...
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Our guys never look that motivated...they never son to care as much as OU
They had no heart/passion vs Maryland where as OU always seems to play with their hair on fire
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Talent is equal. It's just that their "effort" meter is properly calibrated. Ours is still a work in progress apparently.
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They’ve had the same offensive system for 20 years. They recruit to it and develop to it. Same for defense for that matter. Consistency. Even in our hey day in 2001-2009, we didn’t have a consistent offensive system. We just recruited them figured out what to do with them. I give GD credit for that.
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IMO talent isn't equal, They have us on QB play, they have us OL play and RB and Coaching, Riley is turning out to be the QB whisperer. Our offense minded coach has no mojo and hired the worst OC to coach our kids.
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This years team loses 3 of their five ol starters and the whole starting dL, our best linebacker and and both starting cornerbacks. What ou and Alabama both had in their second seasons was excellent offensive coordinators. Our’s is one of the worst in the conference.
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Rice is the Harvard of the South.
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This. I think he will be at the top of a lot of programs HC list. If he gets poached then we are in bad shape.
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I still think that’s a coaching/scheme thing and not being very confident in the offense regardless of what they say to the media
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Not if his D plays the way it did last week, I was more disappointed in them than the offense , 29 should be enough to beat md
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I dunno that I fully agree, I think it’s the scheme, I think both Ehlinger and Buechele would have much better stats if they were in that offense coached by Lincoln Riley, I think if Lincoln Riley coached our offense we’d put up just as many points as they do
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Stop it... its been almost 9 years since Texas was relevant.
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The thing I cant understand is Herman has come in & replicated Charlie's mistake.
Like the exact same mistakes. It's deja vu!
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Was at a function tonight and asked Ricky Williams a very similar question. I asked about the talent gap between today’s team and the 2009 team. He was very clear that there was zero difference, it was a losing mentality that is holding them back. He said it’s hard to change the mindset.
I'll bet that was a blast OP.
I posted this before. Roy Miller was interviewed after a game .He was pissed, dissapointed, and dead serious, saying the team had to work harder, made too many mistakes , and was not focused etc etc. and THEY HAD JUST WON. That's a winning culture. When he left in 08 he had experienced 7 total losses in FOUR years and won a NC. They expected to win. This senior class has almost lost that EVERY single year to date. They have 21 losses in 3 years and one game.They don't expect to win when it's crunch time.
I respectfully disagree w/ Ricky on the O line. As Marcus Meyers said on his Podcast...we seem to have some "really nice guys " on he O line vs the we're gonna kick your ass big nasties he was used to playing with. OU has some maulers still.
we lost to a team that is not very good unless they are playing us.
People keep saying this. You can’t know this is true. I could give arguments on them being better than their record last year, just as I could give arguments on how we were better than our record last year.
Bottom line is this. We will have to see how good of a team we can become. We will have to see how good of a team Maryland becomes (if you care to, because, frankly.. I
don’t). We lost game one and they won gone one, that’s all we know right now. The rest is yet to be seen.
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Better and consistent QB play is a huge part of it.
We took Garrett Gilbert, the Gatorade National Player of the Year, and won five freaking games.
They converted Paul Thompson from WR to QB and won the Big 12
Unreal.
Well, since you put it that way.. damn.
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Since I started following the rivalry (and living and dying by it) my freshman year (1990):
Texas 13 wins
Oklahoma 14 wins
One tie.
Best post on this thread.
Gives perspective on the head-to-head rivalry.
This rivalry has a history of running in cycles...one team goes on a good run for a number of years...then vice versa.
But OU isn't the issue. The overall football culture has to return to what it was 8-9 years ago. The work-your-ass-off, knock-somebody out, refuse to lose mentality that permeated every aspect of the program has to return. Tom Herman seems like the type of man and coach that can lead that culture-shift. We'll see.
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QBs and RBs
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As bad as it was at both those schools, neither Blake or Shula left the program with a scorched earth mindset. It made for a more difficult transition. Other than QB, there has been marked improvement in the offense. Defense suffered a huge loss in talent. Orlando will get it going. No, we wont get 12 wins this year, but that is highly likely next year.
How the hell do you know that? Were you there during alabama's era of futility with Shula, or OU's dumpster fire with Blake.
Continuing to make CS the sacrificial scapegoat - acting like he's the worst thing to happen to any football program ever - just perpetuates the excuse-making mindset.
The culture shifted around 2010/2011 and nobody knows exactly why. Mack couldn't fix it and neither could charlie. We'll see if Tom can, but it won't happen with excuses. If he can somehow re-instill the highest level of accountability within the program, beginning with himself, things can really change in a big way.
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Tom has only been here a year and a game. I know I am in the minority, but I believe he will get it done. I don't judge a coach on his press conferences. The season is young. I still think we will improve from last year.
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Bottom line is this. We will have to see how good of a team we can become. We will have to see how good of a team Maryland becomes (if you care to, because, frankly.. I don’t). We lost game one and they won gone one, that’s all we know right now. The rest is yet to be seen.
uh they lost 5 games by 25 points and two by 48 or more last year and lost 7 of their last 8 and only one of those losses was not by double digits and that was a 7 point loss to 4-8 Rutgers.
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- OU has done a better job of finding coaches to fit their system.
- They've also done a better job (IMHO) of finding the players that best fit their system.
- At several positions, not all, I believe they've done a better job developing talent - certainly with the OL, WR positions.
- OU usually has hungry dogs playing against our nice boys. They don't always win, but I've rarely, if ever, questioned their toughness.
- OU pays a lot better (under the table that is).
- OU is way more willing to allow players to keep on going when they should be suspended (cutting class, DUI, domestic violence).
- I still believe OU probably had spies at our practices for a long time.
- OU coaches, over the years, have done a much better job of scheming against our weaknesses. They used to eat Greg Davis' lunch, until VY finally arrived to save his job.
- OU coaches have managed to get more out of the program than Texas has, over the same time span. Despite the record, they won many more conference titles and got to more big bowl games (didn't win them all, of course).
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Oline, QB and RB pretty substantial imo. Defense we may have an edge.
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I know this is a BlowU thread but let’s just look at this recruiting comparison for the team we just played.
Year. Texas. Maryland
2018. 4. 29
2017. 31. 17
2016. 11. 39
2015. 12. 54
2014. 20. 53
2013. 24. 33
Average. 37.5. 17
If you believe the recruiting experts Texas has no coaching.
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uh they lost 5 games by 25 points and two by 48 or more last year and lost 7 of their last 8 and only one of those losses was not by double digits and that was a 7 point loss to 4-8 Rutgers.
Sure. But they lost both relatively dynamic QB’s for the season, on top of having an average defense. And they only lost to 2 unranked oponents, one of which is Michigan.
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I know this is a BlowU thread but let’s just look at this recruiting comparison for the team we just played.
Year. Texas. Maryland
2018. 4. 29
2017. 31. 17
2016. 11. 39
2015. 12. 54
2014. 20. 53
2013. 24. 33
Average. 37.5. 17
If you believe the recruiting experts Texas has no coaching.
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This.
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and they lost to all 6 ranked opponents and 5 of them were blow outs. They have won 33 games in the last 7 years as an FYI.
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It wasn’t just dumb luck - was is it?
It has not ALL been luck, but some of it has. Luck or interference:
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and they lost to all 6 ranked opponents and 5 of them were blow outs. They have won 33 games in the last 7 years as an FYI.
Preaching to the choir. Did you watch the game? Their players were electric compared to ours.
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Preaching to the choir. Did you watch the game? Their players were electric compared to ours.
Yeah does not say much for our coaching does it?
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Yeah does not say much for our coaching does it?
Bingo. Exactly. We need to get better coaching going on yesterday. Most of this stupid shit is fixable now. The rotation of running backs and tight ends? Fixable.
You know how in coaching pee-wee you call a run to the right, it gets you 4 yards.. and.. you run it again. 4 more yards. You run it again...
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I dunno that I fully agree, I think it’s the scheme, I think both Ehlinger and Buechele would have much better stats if they were in that offense coached by Lincoln Riley, I think if Lincoln Riley coached our offense we’d put up just as many points as they do
Maybe but they still have a better coach and QB and RB and OL. Herman's stubbornness to not see that Beck doesn't have it and or get rid of dead weight coaches and go out and get the best assistants will cost him his job in the end. He should have already come out and announced he is the OC play caller and go upbeat tempo. If we come out and barely beat Tulsa and look flat,heads should roll. We could easily finish behind OU,OSU,TCU,WVU,and maybe ISU also. We have to get our running game going to open up the receivers or we are doomed.
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Maybe but they still have a better coach and QB and RB and OL. Herman's stubbornness to not see that Beck doesn't have it and or get rid of dead weight coaches and go out and get the best assistants will cost him his job in the end. He should have already come out and announced he is the OC play caller and go upbeat tempo. If we come out and barely beat Tulsa and look flat,heads should roll. We could easily finish behind OU,OSU,TCU,WVU,and maybe ISU also. We have to get our running game going to open up the receivers or we are doomed.
On the first part , again I dunno that we can say they have the better qb, how do we know their qbs wouldn’t look just as bad or worse in our offenses over the years? And how do we know our qbs wouldn’t look better than theirs in their offense? I think Buechele for example would be awesome in that or the art briles offense.. furthermore , what if Ehlinger was running a zone-read uptempo offense , might he be much more effective and actually look like a solid qb? Well never know cuz our scheme sucks and is basic and would only work with Alabama , Ohio state type talent
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Position by position how much of a talent advantage do they have?
Is Lincoln Riley that much more superior to Tom Herman?
Sometimes I just can’t understand how OU is so consistently better than Texas?
Almost ever year I think the tide is going to turn....we pull a Charlie Brown
I just don’t get it anymore.
Beats me. Ask 'em on SoonerScoop
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On the first part , again I dunno that we can say they have the better qb, how do we know their qbs wouldn’t look just as bad or worse in our offenses over the years? And how do we know our qbs wouldn’t look better than theirs in their offense? I think Buechele for example would be awesome in that or the art briles offense
On the second part I agree, I saw one of the mods mention Herman might b afraid to take full control or mention it publicly that he has in case they continue to suck cuz then people would question if he is even a decent offensive mind let alone hc, I think that’s a pretty good guess at why he hasn’t just outright taken over duties from the sideline even if he has behind closed doors
I just look at Murray's game last week and he killed it, Murray is just a much better athlete and QB then our guys system or not. I mean their offense had 9 touch downs and over 600 yards. Herman is supposed to be an offensive Guru,that's why we hired him but yet that's our weakest link. Go figure!
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Tom has only been here a year and a game. I know I am in the minority, but I believe he will get it done. I don't judge a coach on his press conferences. The season is young. I still think we will improve from last year.
Riley has also only been coach for one year and look at the two records. We just keep making the same coaching hire mistakes. If Herman fails we need to make an offer Dabo can't refuse period.
