Big XII Expansion: Interested Schools - Colorado State, Central Florida, Memphis, Houston (link)
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Of those four teams, USF is the only school I would be excited about. I think getting into the Florida market would be HUGE longterm for the Big 12.
CSU I think is prolly the 2nd best. I mean CSU does nothing to excite me, except it gets the Big 12 back into the state of Colorado again. It's just a little north of Denver so gets the Big 12 into that market.
Memphis had a nice little run with Fuente, but he bolted for VTech so that program is likely to fade into nothingness again.
And Houston....why in gods name would this conference want to invite ANOTHER school from the state of Texas.....
CSU I think is prolly the 2nd best. I mean CSU does nothing to excite me, except it gets the Big 12 back into the state of Colorado again. It's just a little north of Denver so gets the Big 12 into that market.
Memphis had a nice little run with Fuente, but he bolted for VTech so that program is likely to fade into nothingness again.
And Houston....why in gods name would this conference want to invite ANOTHER school from the state of Texas.....
I see nothing from those teams bringing anything to the conference. I know we are football heavy, but what about other sports, like basketball?
I say go for Louisville and Cincinnati. At least they bring in more than respectable programs in football and especially basketball..........
I say go for Louisville and Cincinnati. At least they bring in more than respectable programs in football and especially basketball..........
Why would Louisville leave the ACC after being snubbed by the Big 12 a handful of years ago??
I think that if CSU joined the conference, they'd pass CU in terms of quality in men's basketball and football within half a decade. CSU has had disadvantages compared to CU since the Buffs joined the Big 6, making it the Big Seven in the late 40s. Yet they've competed head to head well during that time. Easier to get to. Less crazy politically. Colorado State could help the conference.
It's interesting. I think UHouston has the best sports history of any of the possibles, but agree that we really don't need another Texas school in the conference.
I think this is a Catch-22. The Chair of the OU BoR said he only wants expansion if it includes raiding the other Power Five conferences. Mostly, the goals seem to include raiding the ACC. I don't believe that dog will hunt.
I think we're fine with ten. BYU ain't coming. The old teams that spent some time in the old Missouri Valley Conference seem to be the best options: Memphis, Louisville and UCinn. Louisville is the best option, but likely the least available. I could live with Cincinnati and Colorado State. UCinn would be a good school to pair with WVU in that part of the World. Not as great in football, but pretty good in hoops. Nice recruiting location.
It's interesting. I think UHouston has the best sports history of any of the possibles, but agree that we really don't need another Texas school in the conference.
I think this is a Catch-22. The Chair of the OU BoR said he only wants expansion if it includes raiding the other Power Five conferences. Mostly, the goals seem to include raiding the ACC. I don't believe that dog will hunt.
I think we're fine with ten. BYU ain't coming. The old teams that spent some time in the old Missouri Valley Conference seem to be the best options: Memphis, Louisville and UCinn. Louisville is the best option, but likely the least available. I could live with Cincinnati and Colorado State. UCinn would be a good school to pair with WVU in that part of the World. Not as great in football, but pretty good in hoops. Nice recruiting location.
First of all, Central Florida is not South Florida.
None of the teams mentioned appeal to me and the only team worth adding is BYU, which depending on where you read it, may or may not be available. Cincinnati and Memphis would open up recruiting in Ohio and parts of the South and Central Florida could strengthen recruiting in Florida. But these teams are not "brand names".
My two choices, which are unlikely ones, are BYU and Houston.....unless the conference can raid another conference for a big name program. BYU is a big draw and Houston is coming back under its new coach and its inclusion would open up recruiting even more in the southeastern corner of Texas.
Geography makes sense to you and me, but not the conferences' brain trust who only look at the financial benefits. West Virginia in the Big 12 ? That's still strange to me....and there's more to come.
Guess it's not really an issue since most people in this country can't identify the location of more than one or two states on the map.
CT, we can agree or not in the value of Houston. But BYU will not be joining the conference, unless perhaps it would be for football only. Those who televise the Big XII in other sports want the freedom to broadcast tournament games on Sundays and BYU will never play on Sundays. It violates the core beliefs of LDS teachings. If that were not the case, they would already be in the conference.
And coming for football only makes the least sense for them, and frankly for the conference. I get that it's all about football. In some respects it is. But if you do that, then nearly every other sport deals with having an odd number of teams and that is a scheduling nightmare, in the sports where everybody fields a team. It's barely manageable in softball, because only seven schools have a team.
In basketball, the NCAA has been scheduling BYU for the Thursday-Saturday regionals since they went to that format more than 30 years ago, when they made the field. BYU ain't coming.
And coming for football only makes the least sense for them, and frankly for the conference. I get that it's all about football. In some respects it is. But if you do that, then nearly every other sport deals with having an odd number of teams and that is a scheduling nightmare, in the sports where everybody fields a team. It's barely manageable in softball, because only seven schools have a team.
In basketball, the NCAA has been scheduling BYU for the Thursday-Saturday regionals since they went to that format more than 30 years ago, when they made the field. BYU ain't coming.
Not debating BYU's joining or not joining, but they are the best fit as far as name brand recognition unless a team from the ACC defects. Frankly I want to see OU pack up and head to a better conference and retain Texas as a rival as Notre Dame has with USC.
If the SEC wanted to expand to 16 teams and a sure fire grip in Texas would they consider Houston. And if they did accept Houston would that be another issue for the Big 12 and OU.
We would love to have you guys in the ACC ( and add Notre Dame in football).
Of those four teams, USF is the only school I would be excited about. I think getting into the Florida market would be HUGE longterm for the Big 12.
CSU I think is prolly the 2nd best. I mean CSU does nothing to excite me, except it gets the Big 12 back into the state of Colorado again. It's just a little north of Denver so gets the Big 12 into that market.
Memphis had a nice little run with Fuente, but he bolted for VTech so that program is likely to fade into nothingness again.
And Houston....why in gods name would this conference want to invite ANOTHER school from the state of Texas.....
First, I'm all about packing up & leaving the B12. But as a fan, I'm not afraid of UH & don't believe anybody in the OU program should be either. If OU can't recruit the Houston area because of UH, to put it simply, we have the wrong coaches in place. The fact is, UH will bring alot of attention back to the B12 that was lost when Aggie bailed. There is a huge TV market, in addition, OU would get to play in Houston on annual basis if the conference is alligned as much. Look, UT is in the Big 12 and for years, OU has been able to recruit Austin & San Antonio.
Well count me as hoping OU and Boren is simply setting the ground work to leave the Big 12 also. My not being excited about Houston coming into the conference has nothing to do with being scared of them, or whether Houston will out recruit OU in the Houston area. I just think there are better options as far as trying to push the Big 12 into newer regions and markets to help build the foundation for the conference in the long haul.
Houston is a pretty decent football program for sure. And Houston is definitely a very big TV market, but the Big 12 already gets great exposure in the area, and OU has no issues recruiting down there. But I think for the Big 12 to expand and actually try and catch or surpass other conferences, they need to be open to looking outside of Texas. That's why I am game for Cincinnati, USF, and UCF. All three of those are markets on the level of Houston, or maybe bigger, and are in areas other than Texas where the Big 12 can see a larger gains in terms of exposure than looking at Houston.
UConn wants membership very much from what the Huskies AD said an hour ago. It's a wealthy school with a great basketball legacy which could be a financial plus even with a mediocre football team.
I just don't understand it from a geographical standpoint. That's a lot of traveling for all the athletic teams and West Virginia is already a logistics issue. (And wait until OU travels to Morgantown in late November the weekend before facing OSU in Stillwater).
The two schools chirping the loudest seem to be Houston and Memphis and geographically they make sense. Houston would give OU (and OSU) increased presence in the southeast corner of Texas (which includes Beaumont, Port Arthur, Orange, Port Neches) and Memphis could open up Arkansas and Tennessee more.
What will be will be. No one knows anything now and this won't play out until mid-summer.
I just don't understand it from a geographical standpoint. That's a lot of traveling for all the athletic teams and West Virginia is already a logistics issue. (And wait until OU travels to Morgantown in late November the weekend before facing OSU in Stillwater).
The two schools chirping the loudest seem to be Houston and Memphis and geographically they make sense. Houston would give OU (and OSU) increased presence in the southeast corner of Texas (which includes Beaumont, Port Arthur, Orange, Port Neches) and Memphis could open up Arkansas and Tennessee more.
What will be will be. No one knows anything now and this won't play out until mid-summer.
Here is an idea. The Big 12 is the only power conference that during the last handful of years of realignment, actually reduced the size of it's conference and eliminated it's conference title game. So all other power conferences expanded, while the Big 12 retracted.
So...the Big 12 either sticks with it's current lame situation of lagging behind the other conferences. Or they are looking to expand to 12 teams and try to get a conference network deal. But how about the Big 12 actually make a big move and try to surpass the other conferences, instead of simply trying to catch up and match them??
How about the Big 12 actually make a bold move and be the first conference that expands to 16 teams, and becomes the first truly "coast to coast" conference?? Add teams like USF, UCF, Cincinnatti, Utah State, San Diego State, and Fresno State??? The California programs you can substitute others in there if you don't like SDSU or FSU, but the idea remains the same.
I still am leaning towards OU looking to bolt to another conference. But if OU stays, then I think the Big 12 really needs to make a big move. The SEC and ACC have their recruiting grounds locked up. The B1G has it's area locked up. The Pac-12 has it's recruiting areas locked down. But the Big 12 could be the first conference that can claim it's recruiting grounds are legitimately "coast to coast". I dunno, but I think the Big 12 would be better off taking the lead and trying to outdo the other power conferences, rather than just making a lame move in just trying to play catch up.
So...the Big 12 either sticks with it's current lame situation of lagging behind the other conferences. Or they are looking to expand to 12 teams and try to get a conference network deal. But how about the Big 12 actually make a big move and try to surpass the other conferences, instead of simply trying to catch up and match them??
How about the Big 12 actually make a bold move and be the first conference that expands to 16 teams, and becomes the first truly "coast to coast" conference?? Add teams like USF, UCF, Cincinnatti, Utah State, San Diego State, and Fresno State??? The California programs you can substitute others in there if you don't like SDSU or FSU, but the idea remains the same.
I still am leaning towards OU looking to bolt to another conference. But if OU stays, then I think the Big 12 really needs to make a big move. The SEC and ACC have their recruiting grounds locked up. The B1G has it's area locked up. The Pac-12 has it's recruiting areas locked down. But the Big 12 could be the first conference that can claim it's recruiting grounds are legitimately "coast to coast". I dunno, but I think the Big 12 would be better off taking the lead and trying to outdo the other power conferences, rather than just making a lame move in just trying to play catch up.
Well, I don't know about going from 10 to 16 especially adding sub-par schools, BUT you have brought up a good point. The B12 seems to be thinking only to expand by two instead of four. Getting to 14 teams matching the other power conferences seems to be an impossible task unless the B12 is willing to settle. I don't like that idea whatsoever. More reason to leave, IMO.
Ya the actual teams that get invited can be different, but just throwing it out there as an example. The problem is there really aren't any programs other than "sub-par" ones to add. Unless the Big 12 can lock up some type of merger deal with the ACC. The ACC doesn't have a conference network either I don't think right?? Or is the Big 12 the only power conference that doesn't have one? That I think would be the best bet to expand(or merge), the size of the conference, while also adding quality programs. But outside of that, the Big 12 really only has sub-par programs to choose from. The pickings are pretty slim. And faced with that reality, may as well make a big move and swell to 16 teams and go coast-to-coast with the conference and that way the Big 12 does something the other power conferences don't have.
Ya the Big 12 has a deal locked up with Fox, but not sure how different that is from an actual conference network. Boren made a demand about wanting to get a Big 12 Network accomplished, so there must be something it can accomplish that the current deal with Fox isn't getting done.
Well I can tell you one thing that is different from Fox and the Longhorn Network. Fox actually shows the games. The Longhorn replays winning shiity games, most of them defeating us.
How can you make money on that format?
Fox doesn't have to dedicate it's entire scheduling to broadcasting Big 12 sports either. But the main difference between the Fox deal and the Longhorn Network, is the LHN is only dedicated to one program. A Big 12 Network would be dedicated to the entire conference of programs. That tends to make a huge difference in the amount of programmable content that is available to broadcast.
Well I like that. Who wants to see Iowa State reruns? I can only watch so many OU reruns. I get you though. More money...........
I'm sure Iowa State fans say the same thing about OU reruns.
I'm sure Iowa State fans say the same thing about OU reruns.
Uh, I don't think they see any reruns on Fox Sports. That's my point. BTW, go to the SEC and B1G channels on dish and you see the same thing................Reruns....
Fox has the best product on TV sports by far. I watch ESPN only when were are featured. I admit I'll watch repalys on ESPNU when we are on a replay. Very rarely though................
Sell your point to Boren who earlier this year made the demands about wanting to get rid of the LHN so the conference could pursue a Big 12 Network. So clearly there are possible benefits in pursueing such a thing, outside of just having reruns.
I just went to a few of the "networks" we are talkin about.
B1G playing a rerun of an tOSU softball game...Yawn.
SEC talking about SEC baseball.......Vanderbilt vs Florida rerun basket ball coming up......Yawn.
Longhorn Network.. No programming at this time.
See what I mean?
BTW, Fox is showing a UEFA fighting championship program. Don't get me wrong, I have no interest in that, but tons of younger views will watch it.........
I know exactly what you mean. I'm not the one making the push to get the conference to adopt a Big 12 Network. Boren is and that's his goal to get it. So either he enjoys wathching reruns, or he sees a benefit to OU or the conference by having such a thing that you and myself don't see. Because myself, I really don't care about conference networks and such either.
Yeah, there are way more A&M fans in Houston than Cougar High fans. These people got 35K to their home stadium when they hosted their conference championship game. Their stadium is less than half the capacity of half of the SEC stadiums. And they still couldn't fill it up.
Can you imagine Bryant-Denny if Alabama got to play the SEC title game at home? Or any other of the schools? The city of Houston has really cared about UHouston athletics when Clyde Drexler was president of Phi Slama Jama. And hardly at all, otherwise.
And maybe a little after the Oilers moved out, but before the Texans moved in. It's a pro sports town.
Just like the Miami Hurricanes except worse. I lived in Houston and loved it but only attended Oiler and Astro games....many of them because Houston was the first pro city I had ever lived in. A good friend had a brother that was a WR, Bryan Willingham, for the Cougars when I was living there and I did attend one game with him. Houston was pretty good back then but the crowds were dismal.
Houston has more fans of other Texas schools, aside from ATM, than UH does. Houston once was a great college town even up until the early 1980's when Cougar High was having success in the SWC. In the 1950's, Rice was the main team in town and had some decent teams under Coach Neely. I got to see Billy Cannon and Don Meredith play back then....and my dad explained so much of the game to me.
Houston still is a great town for following football, even with the diminished interest in UH and Rice over the past few decades and even with the Texans still trying to become championship worthy.
Houston is far more cosmopolitan than Dallas and with the northern and foreign migration coming into Houston, there are more attractions than football to choose from. This works against UH and Rice for name brand recognition.
I'm starting to lean toward the stay at ten, then bolt at the end of GOR crowd.
There's just not any schools out there that do anything for the conference others than dilute it.
I can understand the hostility toward the Longhorn Network, it has to be bleeding money for ESPN...but any school would be foolish to turn something like that down let alone walk away from it. At the end of the day, I wouldn't be surprised to see it folded into a BXII network on some fashion. And OU to the SEC, us to the B1G, and RRR goes back to a non conference game as in days of old. Just my opinion...who the hell knows.
There's just not any schools out there that do anything for the conference others than dilute it.
I can understand the hostility toward the Longhorn Network, it has to be bleeding money for ESPN...but any school would be foolish to turn something like that down let alone walk away from it. At the end of the day, I wouldn't be surprised to see it folded into a BXII network on some fashion. And OU to the SEC, us to the B1G, and RRR goes back to a non conference game as in days of old. Just my opinion...who the hell knows.
Winning cures everything. If UH continues to trend the way they are, they'll have a solid fan base to follow them. A new stadium a couple of years ago & a winning program these days already has season ticket sales on the rise.
True....it happened under Yeoman....why not again ?
This school could solve the distance issue - Wichita State. 177 miles by car. Are we willing to overlook having 3 Kansas schools to go along with all the Texas schools?
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf...ding-football--joining-the-fbs-132739823.html
Update - just saw this. Kick out a Texas school - Baylor.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/b...lf-after-latest-damning-report-205313955.html
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf...ding-football--joining-the-fbs-132739823.html
Update - just saw this. Kick out a Texas school - Baylor.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/b...lf-after-latest-damning-report-205313955.html
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