then they don't understand how to interpret the f'ing rule...
https://oklahoma.rivals.com/news/big-12-stands-by-onside-kick-call
https://oklahoma.rivals.com/news/big-12-stands-by-onside-kick-call
Big 12 stands by onside kick call
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Big 12 coordinator of officials Greg Burks is a fool and a liar. The exact type of play happened against Baylor several years ago, roles reversed, and we were ruled against then too. Can't have it both ways.
Of course the cowards do. Can’t even get replays correct. That is a sign of sheer stupidity...which runs through the officials non existent gray matter. They were probably afraid to get booed.
I was thinking the same thing but knew that we were not going to get the call. I must admit I did not know about that rule on the onside kick and at first didn't see the push but after watching it over and over the KSU player certainly pushed.
The sad part is that this game should have never had come down to that but KSU flat out kicked the defenses ass. That third quarter was the killer that pretty much sealed the fate of OU. Boy would it have been nice though to see if JH could lead the team to a TD at games end to possibly either tie it up and head to OT or go for the 2 point conversion and win.
Burks was spewing BS, totally CYA nothing else....
What about the clock running after first down, another case of home town clock management.....
What about the clock running after first down, another case of home town clock management.....
Burks is a liar and a thief.....
This is totally cya after the fact........
Refs that alter the outcome of a game should be fired.....period
This is totally cya after the fact........
Refs that alter the outcome of a game should be fired.....period
Well, it was a shitty call but it should not have come down to that. It was Kansas freakin State that kicked our asses not the refs.
I know I know Kids and all, its College Football and you never know what will happen but our Coaches get paid more to make sure it does not happen or they are supposed to make sure. I saw a lot of BS during the game and it came from the OU sideline, not the refs or the League Office.
I know I know Kids and all, its College Football and you never know what will happen but our Coaches get paid more to make sure it does not happen or they are supposed to make sure. I saw a lot of BS during the game and it came from the OU sideline, not the refs or the League Office.
True.
What's really disappointing is to see a defense that was showing signs of relevance revert back to old ways, big time....and against a team that had shown only modest success coming into the game.
Possibly a condiditoning problem? Thanks to an inept special team's play and mega offensive blunders. In the 3rd quarter alone the defense was asked to defend it's goal against 29 plays while getting a breather during the 5 offensive plays. That's alot of time on the field.
KSU just beat the shit out of our O-line & D-line. They were totally manhandled and pancake blocks on almost every play.
KSU just beat the shit out of our O-line & D-line. They were totally manhandled and pancake blocks on almost every play.
Enough said ...I have deleted the game from my DVR. Can’t bear to watch the replay and expect my blood pressure not to spike. A failure on all levels against a decent but not great team.
Yep. Amazing really. And of that 17 min difference, 13 mins was in that 3rd qtr alone. That defense was exhausted w/ little to no breathers.
Was wondering, did the team commute Friday am to Manhatten or wait until Fri night or early Sat ? I know iowa made the arrogant mistake of travelling to Tulsa the day of (9.5 hour drive) and lost once when Fry was coaching
Anyone trying to place the blame of this loss on the final call is just looking to make excuses. This loss is on the entire team and the coaching staff. The defense played liked shit, Rileys play calling was far from great as he is relying way to much on Hurts and seems to have completely forgotten we have quality RBs.
Hurts is not Baker or Murray and has problems standing in the pocket going through his reads and I think takes off running way to much. Opposing defenses know this and now KSU offensively might have given other teams the blueprint to attack this defense.
Blaming the refs is a bullshit excuse for this loss.
Hurts is not Baker or Murray and has problems standing in the pocket going through his reads and I think takes off running way to much. Opposing defenses know this and now KSU offensively might have given other teams the blueprint to attack this defense.
Blaming the refs is a bullshit excuse for this loss.
I have trouble blaming this game on Hurts. 395 yds through the air and almost 100 yds on the ground. What more do we expect out of the QB? Some more RB yards would have been nice.
This one reminded me of the Army game last year.
Average TOP
vs Army - 2:11
vs KSt - 1:59
Avg TOP 1st,4th Quarters (Winning Quarters)
vs Army - 5:05
vs KSt - 6:12
Avg TOP 2nd,3rd Quarters (Losing Quarters)
vs Army - 2:34
vs KSt - 4:44
We score entirely too damn fast when we don't use our RBs, and then our defense gets hosed being out on the field so long.
There seems to be a glaring gameplan against Riley teams. Play risky defense knowing that OU will likely score at will on you, but you might come up with a big defensive play here or there on a flunder.
Ground and pound against the OU defense. Let OU make more mistakes than you.
This one reminded me of the Army game last year.
Average TOP
vs Army - 2:11
vs KSt - 1:59
Avg TOP 1st,4th Quarters (Winning Quarters)
vs Army - 5:05
vs KSt - 6:12
Avg TOP 2nd,3rd Quarters (Losing Quarters)
vs Army - 2:34
vs KSt - 4:44
We score entirely too damn fast when we don't use our RBs, and then our defense gets hosed being out on the field so long.
There seems to be a glaring gameplan against Riley teams. Play risky defense knowing that OU will likely score at will on you, but you might come up with a big defensive play here or there on a flunder.
Ground and pound against the OU defense. Let OU make more mistakes than you.
A game like this, when all the wheels seem to fall off, is the reason why Hurts, as good as he is, is no Mayfield or Murray. When you are down 48-23 it takes a QB who can engineer quick strike chunk plays down the field. That's not Hurts' game. He does not have the accuracy, the arm strength, nor the ability to scan the field to score fast. He is an exceptional QB but he cannot carry the team on his shoulders.
Definitely agree. Riley always makes mention that Hurts is gobbling up the “available” carries. However, he makes the play calls so needs to keep in mind that we have very talented RBs to carry the rock. I know the OL was needing time to gel, but they should be getting well polished by now. That seems very slow to happen if K-State manhandled us up front.
Although Hurts is a power runner and takes more in-bounds tackles than most, he goes out of bounds far more than a RB. He also gets yards in huge chunks. His ground yards gobble up those by the RBs, but they just don't cut it in clock management.
I really feel that we do a disservice to our defensive players. We may not be stacked in the 3-deep with elite defenders, but we've got a few here and there. We do our best to keep them on the field, gassed, and only being able to give it about 75%.
I really feel that we do a disservice to our defensive players. We may not be stacked in the 3-deep with elite defenders, but we've got a few here and there. We do our best to keep them on the field, gassed, and only being able to give it about 75%.
I agree with your analysis of Hurts but if we are always going to compare our QB with Mayfield and Murray we’re going to be disappointed the vast majority of the time. When’s the last time a college had back to back Heisman quarterbacks and number one picks in NFL draft? Never! Hurts is a good quarterback but following Murray is a load. Best thing for guys like Rattler is having a guy like Hurts in between him and Kyler Murray or Baker Mayfield. Most of Saturday’s issues offensively were on Lincoln Riley, IMO.
How many times did Murray score 25 in one quarter against a Big XII team? I think he had a couple 21s and a 22 against who? KState.
I think it's a little outlandish to pound on the guy for only scoring 18 unanswered points in a comeback attempt.
I get that the final 2 scoring drives were a little longer than any of the previous... a whopping 3 minutes on average each, 1 minute longer than our previous drive averages of only 2 minutes.... but we were also running 10 plays on each of those drives. That's pretty decent get-up pace. I think Riley was just being a little more judicious there at the end now that we were in dire straits. I wish Riley would be more judicious throughout the game like he was on those 2 drives. Give me way more 3 minute, 10 play drives and less 1 minute, 2 play drives.
Yeah unless we can have 11 guys spiked with juice pumped in on the sidelines in 2 minutes or less we MUST have at least some ground game and longer than sub-2 minute drives
I heard an interesting point by someone today. They believe the reviewed call was correct, but it was an example of "re-officiating.". They believe the play on the field (inside kick) , as it was called, should not have been overruled; there was not enough evidence to overturn the call. Their point was replay was used outside the scope, as the point where the OU player touched the ball was the only thing in question. And the video evidence did not provide enough to overturn the call on the field. All of that said, OU should have not been in that position. But I must admit I yelled Sooner Magic when the onside kick was recovered.
Sure OU should not have been in a position of trailing with a 1:45 to go, but stuff happens....
The issue is these are experienced officials and they got the thing wrong. Wrong in the sense that casual fans armed with an excerpt from the rule book , know for a fact they got it wrong.....
It did alter the outcome IMO......
I think the only cure is to fire those responsible....or demote them to HS football officiating....
The issue is these are experienced officials and they got the thing wrong. Wrong in the sense that casual fans armed with an excerpt from the rule book , know for a fact they got it wrong.....
It did alter the outcome IMO......
I think the only cure is to fire those responsible....or demote them to HS football officiating....
Big 12 Ifficials swimming in their own toilet botching call after call without any consequences. Ruining game results should be fireable offense.
Not saying we would have tied it there, but I don't understand this about refs. You're in doubt. You're confused. It's a questionable understanding. WHY then do you END THE GAME? You know that overruling the call ends the game as Kansas State can and will run out the clock. By allowing the call on the field, you do NOT end the game, and you do NOT change the outcome. It's not a call that says these guys win or these guys win. It simply gives one of the teams another shot to tie it up and the outcome not be decided by a call.
Let the teams play. Give OU a slim chance to go down and get a TD. Give Kansas State a good chance to stop OU and even beat them in overtime.
I am not a fan of that crew that we had at Kansas State. Seems to me that they are probably the worst crew in the conference. Could be wrong, but every time I see them officiate I am amazed at how many times they miss something.
I guess I don't pay that much attention to who are the Big 12 refs calling the OU games, so I can't really say if one crew is better or worse than another. It's easy being a ref when watching on TV, but I sure wouldn't want that job. The refs do seem to get the "bang-bang" calls correct about 95% of the time (by my own estimate). Reviews by the refs in the booth correct 4% of the missed calls and it seems like about 1% of the calls get blown in any given game.
No one is blaming the loss on the refs. We sucked the whole game and weren't ready to play.
However, you can't bury your head in the sand and ignore the obvious BS call at the end which could have allowed us to pull a win out.
This is a great point!
I kept telling the wife, "How can you tell whether the ball went off the OU guy or the KSU guy?"
FWIW, Hurts may not be as good as Murray or Baker that is debatable I guess but his stats are better than both at this point in the season and all 3 had a loss at this point and both won the Heisman. I also think Murray and Baker had better teams as well. Compare the Offensive line today to what Baker and Murray both had.
But for me it all comes back to the Defense and a big "What If" the past 2 going on 3 seasons now.
One could almost see this coming especially a couple of weeks ago when Riley told a reporter that you can play Defense at Oklahoma. I also said they better keep the Defensive Players from getting too cocky and overconfident and don't read how great they are. As Saban would call it "Rat Poison" printed by the press.
I don't know hell I will shut up now.
But for me it all comes back to the Defense and a big "What If" the past 2 going on 3 seasons now.
One could almost see this coming especially a couple of weeks ago when Riley told a reporter that you can play Defense at Oklahoma. I also said they better keep the Defensive Players from getting too cocky and overconfident and don't read how great they are. As Saban would call it "Rat Poison" printed by the press.
I don't know hell I will shut up now.
Maybe the guys in the booth had better videos of that play but there’s no way you could get a group to come to an indisputable decision based on what was on the broadcast replays. I ran them back several times and it could have been called either way which isn’t indisputable. So solely on that basis OU should have gotten the ball.
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I am not buring my head in the sand at all. The only reason our Sooners got close in the end was that KSU went conservative trying to run clock. Do you think our defense all of sudden started to play in that quarter? I firmly believe if KSU continued to attack the defense the way they did over the first 3 quarters they likely march down the field and score again. Sure the final score looks like OU made a great comeback and kudos for not giving up but KSU helped the cause by going conservative.
We have seen OU do that in the past also and it allowed the opposition to get back in the game. Again it shouldn’t have came down to that onside kick but our defense got its ass kicked by KSU.
Pretty simple really. If your defense is not very good the offense cannot afford to have a bad game. And we don't force enough turnovers.
I have not mentioned it before now but I woke up last Saturday and just felt like we would lose or play like crap and it happened. Easy to say that after a loss like that but I really did feel something was in the air that morning. I shrugged it off thinking it was just me being tired of the 11 am games.
I have not mentioned it before now but I woke up last Saturday and just felt like we would lose or play like crap and it happened. Easy to say that after a loss like that but I really did feel something was in the air that morning. I shrugged it off thinking it was just me being tired of the 11 am games.
67, I had the same feeling Saturday morning. I felt this game in Manhattan had "ambush" written all over it. I felt that OU starting out the second half needed to score first to win and then KSU ran off a 17-0 third quarter to go up 41-23. It seemed that OU was in a trance, both on the field and on the sidelines as KSU completely dominated the game.
Some bad mojo for me too that day. My normal game day routine was derailed. I was driving to STL to help my parents prepare for a move. I face timed with my OU buddy. His face said it all and he grew stunned quiet as the Sooners unraveled. My gut had an odd feeling that morning even before I left. Then I saw we were getting pounded when I arrived. Dad goes I guess you want me to delete the recording....
Wow and I thought I was the only one that woke up feeling as if something was fowl in the air. I’ve had these feelings in the past and sometimes we won and other times we lost badly. Saturday was one of those bad endings.
Right now my gut feelings tell me that we beat ISU but if I wake up next Saturday feeling the way I did about KSU I may just go back to sleep and see if it changes when I rewake.
I hate getting those feelings in my gut that something bad is going to happen.
Same here, I woke up in a bad mood and was just tired even though I slept pretty good that night. Something just felt off and I hate when that happens on gameday.
Hope I don't feel it again this season.
I don't know what's worse. Waking up thinking something bad it going to happen and it does, or waking up thinking we going to win our 8th game of the year and instead we crap our pants. I was number 2, no pun intended.
i'm pretty sure you planned that one. don't be ashamed, it was almost funny. mean jab intended. jk bama
