OT: Minimum Wage Increase...

[AbsoluteZer0]

Maybe it works better in a retail situation. People wanna get in and get out without much hassle. In a restaurant, I think people like more personal attention when ordering a meal.

I would rather not have to deal with anyone at all. People laughed about 10 years ago at the idea of ordering a pizza online. As soon as that was available, I was happy to do it. There are several fast food places that you can now place an order with online and just come in and get it. It's great...although I try to cook at home as much as I can for other reasons.

Same with banking. I almost NEVER step foot in a bank for any reason and I'm very thankful for that. Any place I can cut out having to deal with anyone else who may screw things up...the better as far as I'm concerned.

It would be great if they could automate bartenders as they always seem to be in short supply when you need one.

 

[WhyNotaSooner]

Naw, the younger age demographic have been punching buttons and touching screens all their lives. From social media to texting, it's all very interpersonal these days. It'll work in fast food and it already is in many places.

 

[barkingwater2000]

Naw, the younger age demographic have been punching buttons and touching screens all their lives. From social media to texting, it's all very interpersonal these days. It'll work in fast food and it already is in many places.

I can't say that Ive seen it in a fast food place other than Carls Jr. several years ago and that didn't last very long.

 

[AbsoluteZer0]

I can't say that Ive seen it in a fast food place other than Carls Jr. several years ago and that didn't last very long.

Taco Bueno does it from what I understand (although I haven't ever ordered online).

 

[barkingwater2000]

Taco Bueno does it from what I understand (although I haven't ever ordered online).

No I was talking about touch screens inside the store.

 

[AbsoluteZer0]

No I was talking about touch screens inside the store.

Oh then yeah, I haven't seen those either. Although...I would use them if it meant getting the order right and not having to hand over my debit card to someone.

 

[JConXtsy]

Many businesses, especially small business and the restaurant business, operate at a thin margin. An arbitrary increase in wages will cause the business to increase prices or cut back costs to maintain the slim margin. That margin is what the owner has to live on and invest into the business. Democrats would be pleased to watch the guys and gals who own businesses go broke while "lifting" the low skilled out of poverty. Nobody will be lifted out of poverty by an increase in minimum wage but the increase can sure increase poverty.

I punched out on giving a shit about these career welfare scammers when I heard a lady tell the man that she was with that she wishes she could get back on food stamps because pistachios were too expensive to consider buying with her own money.

This is full of opinions stated as fact with a dash of an anecdote for inspiration.

 

[WhyNotaSooner]

While many want to discuss the cost of higher wages with a higher min. wage, most forget and/or do not understand the cost of the property in whuch the fast food locations operate. The cost of location, location, location is exrtremely high in some locations and below avg in other locations. Example, Manhatton, Airports etc. speaking of airports and technology, kiosks are all over the place for us to print our own boarding passes these days, thus eliminating many employee positions. When forced to, business owners can & do find ways to save money and continue to operate. Those that don't, fold up shop and move along.

 

[roygbell]

Gotta remind the haters who begrudge poor people the minimum wage increases under discussion, the states and cities in which this is happening are a hell of a lot more expensive to live in than Oklahoma. Your $300,000 McMansion would cost $750,000-$900,000 in those areas. And pretty much everything else is proportionately more expensive.

Oh, and Jesus wants to thank you kindly Christians for looking out for the least of his children.

Way to go with the name calling. You must hate small business owners who become at risk because of the proposed minimum wage increase. You simply ignore the burden it places on small business. You think they just take the loss of their own profit. You have no logical argument just labeling others as "haters" when they disagree with you. The facts are that it is the poor people you are depriving of a job with the huge minimum wage increase.

I don't hate poor people and I don't have any issue with people earning their worth in the job market no matter how much they make. And, I don't think others who oppose the increase are haters either as they do have logical reasons for their opposition.

You are the hater.

 

[veritas59]

I would rather not have to deal with anyone at all. People laughed about 10 years ago at the idea of ordering a pizza online. As soon as that was available, I was happy to do it. There are several fast food places that you can now place an order with online and just come in and get it. It's great...although I try to cook at home as much as I can for other reasons.

Same with banking. I almost NEVER step foot in a bank for any reason and I'm very thankful for that. Any place I can cut out having to deal with anyone else who may screw things up...the better as far as I'm concerned.

It would be great if they could automate bartenders as they always seem to be in short supply when you need one.

I wonder how all of those Ashley Madison customers feel right about now about the idea of doing all of their business online.

 

[JConXtsy]

I wonder how all of those Ashley Madison customers feel right about now about the idea of doing all of their business online.

I bought my stove from A Madison. Still happy with my purchase.
www.ajmadison.com

 

[AbsoluteZer0]

I wonder how all of those Ashley Madison customers feel right about now about the idea of doing all of their business online.

I hope they get exactly what they deserve. I've never had a problem. I'm no saint and never proclaimed to be, but you are taking a huge risk putting this kind of information anywhere in the hopes that the reward equals the risk. This is not the kind of business you really should be doing online or anywhere else and they will pay the price (I hope).

You are no more at risk of doing business online for the most part than you are having your cash stolen on the street. If you are smart and use credit cards, then you won't be out any actual money. If you use debit cards, it's a bit iffy.

I've been doing a lot of my transactions online since it first came available (usually way before anyone else was doing it) and I've never had a problem.

 

[Sooners83]

Bring it!

I can always use some extra currency to squander at the casinos!

Give me your email and I'll send my paypal account info for your deposit.

Now we're talking by gawd.

fitty....waiting for your gofundme site, send me the link when it is up....

 

[Schoonerman]

Agree with you Fitty. Evidently you're not a Democrat.

I'm a Democrat and I agree with fitty 100%.

 

[Sooners83]

problem with any minimum wage is that it is an economic cyclical event. You get a minimum wage increase at your job, the corresponding businesses that have an increase in labor costs pass that on to their customers with higher prices for their product. The wage earner is back to square one as their increased earnings can now only cover the increased costs of the products. The other part of this is the big businesses (especially fast food) will move even more to automated ordering/delivery of their products...therefore eliminating positions for now...and forever....

 

[barkingwater2000]

problem with any minimum wage is that it is an economic cyclical event. You get a minimum wage increase at your job, the corresponding businesses that have an increase in labor costs pass that on to their customers with higher prices for their product. The wage earner is back to square one as their increased earnings can now only cover the increased costs of the products. The other part of this is the big businesses (especially fast food) will move even more to automated ordering/delivery of their products...therefore eliminating positions for now...and forever....

Not sure if now is the right time to do it or not, but eventually it will need to be raised. Some people were probably saying the same things when it was $4 here in Oklahoma.

 

[JConXtsy]

You all should know who the minimum wage earners are. You all act like we're giving 50% of the nation a raise, and therefore all goods are going to raise 50% in cost.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/09/08/who-makes-minimum-wage/

For those not willing to follow the link:
2.6% of workers in the U.S. make the federal minimum wage or lower.
When the research began in 1979, that figure was 7.9% of workers.

 

[MdSooner#1]

You all should know who the minimum wage earners are. You all act like we're giving 50% of the nation a raise, and therefore all goods are going to raise 50% in cost.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/09/08/who-makes-minimum-wage/

For those not willing to follow the link:
2.6% of workers in the U.S. make the federal minimum wage or lower.
When the research began in 1979, that figure was 7.9% of workers.

That is a to simplistic approach to look at it though. Think of the goods and services that these minimum wage earners provide.

It has to be produced / made / farmed somewhere, then packaged, and then transported just to get to its destination. Not to mention other things like middle men and such

 

[Sooners83]

You all should know who the minimum wage earners are. You all act like we're giving 50% of the nation a raise, and therefore all goods are going to raise 50% in cost.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/09/08/who-makes-minimum-wage/

For those not willing to follow the link:
2.6% of workers in the U.S. make the federal minimum wage or lower.
When the research began in 1979, that figure was 7.9% of workers.

that is quite the exaggeration....it will increase the price of goods to a consumer (fast food?...yes) and that compounds down the chain of spending. It isn't like because I have to pay 1 more dollar at McDonalds...it is because I have one less dollar to spend somewhere else as well. Not sure where where the logic doesn't sink in.

 

[Soonersincefitty]

Funny 83, you mentioning gofundme.

Reminds me of the clever fellow that put an ad in the National Enquirer in the 70s.

The ad simply said..."I would like to be a millionaire. So, if a million of you send me one dollar each I'll reach my goal".

He had PO box of course.
Rumor has it he was sent 14, 000 bucks, a dollar at a time.
Not bad at all.

 

[WhyNotaSooner]

I would rather not have to deal with anyone at all. People laughed about 10 years ago at the idea of ordering a pizza online. As soon as that was available, I was happy to do it. There are several fast food places that you can now place an order with online and just come in and get it. It's great...although I try to cook at home as much as I can for other reasons.

Same with banking. I almost NEVER step foot in a bank for any reason and I'm very thankful for that. Any place I can cut out having to deal with anyone else who may screw things up...the better as far as I'm concerned.

It would be great if they could automate bartenders as they always seem to be in short supply when you need one.

EZ there... open pour is the best pour!

 

[barkingwater2000]

that is quite the exaggeration....it will increase the price of goods to a consumer (fast food?...yes) and that compounds down the chain of spending. It isn't like because I have to pay 1 more dollar at McDonalds...it is because I have one less dollar to spend somewhere else as well. Not sure where where the logic doesn't sink in.

Was this the argument the last time min wage was increased?

 

[Sooners83]

Was this the argument the last time min wage was increased?

I don't know BW was it? I really don't have a problem with states like NY passing this (states rights...burp) as the cost of living there is is incredible...but to make it a nationwide doctrine is what i will have a problem with. I have always believed in a free market system.

 

[barkingwater2000]

I don't know BW was it? I really don't have a problem with states like NY passing this (states rights...burp) as the cost of living there is is incredible...but to make it a nationwide doctrine is what i will have a problem with. I have always believed in a free market system.

Well I was in high school so I honestly don't know, but I'm sure some were unhappy with it. Who is making it a nation wise doctrine?

 

[Medic007]

You all should know who the minimum wage earners are. You all act like we're giving 50% of the nation a raise, and therefore all goods are going to raise 50% in cost.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/09/08/who-makes-minimum-wage/

For those not willing to follow the link:
2.6% of workers in the U.S. make the federal minimum wage or lower.
When the research began in 1979, that figure was 7.9% of workers.

Minimum wage workers aren't the only people that get a raise when the minimum wage is raised. That's a pile of useless statistics. If the minimum is raised to $12 and hour, those currently making $11.50 get a raise to the minimum as well. That small proportion of workers who would be affected grows substantially. $15 an hour will include a decent sized chunk of hourly workers.

 

[barkingwater2000]

Minimum wage workers aren't the only people that get a raise when the minimum wage is raised. That's a pile of useless statistics. If the minimum is raised to $12 and hour, those currently making $11.50 get a raise to the minimum as well. That small proportion of workers who would be affected grows substantially. $15 an hour will include a decent sized chunk of hourly workers.[/QUOTE

Thats why $15 would be way too much for most states. I would like to see it raised to about $9 bucks here in Oklahoma. I think Wal Mart has raised there minimum pay to that amount

 

[AbsoluteZer0]

Minimum wage workers aren't the only people that get a raise when the minimum wage is raised. That's a pile of useless statistics. If the minimum is raised to $12 and hour, those currently making $11.50 get a raise to the minimum as well. That small proportion of workers who would be affected grows substantially. $15 an hour will include a decent sized chunk of hourly workers.

Which raises prices on everything, which means the cost of business goes up, which means inflation and everything equals back out again at a higher price. All we are doing is making the numbers we work with larger. You aren't raising the standard of living for anyone.

Buying a loaf of bread at price X doesn't mean anything if you get a 20% raise and bread costs 20% more. If you don't think inflation is a real problem, just look at the prices of things just 20 years ago. I'm not a really old guy but just in my lifetime prices have shot up to levels no one would have believed. I remember gas at .53 per gallon and even after the huge drop in prices it is 2.50. Look at the price of meat or anything else.

 

[Soonersincefitty]

Yep, it's all relative to evil inflation.
I mean, what have you gained if your Mickey D salary doubles and your baloon mortgage payment goes up 500 bucks.
Huh?

 

[Sooners83]

Well I was in high school so I honestly don't know, but I'm sure some were unhappy with it. Who is making it a nation wise doctrine?

the current president has been pushing it for several years....

 

[Brentwood Sooner]

Here comes a $10 happy meal!

 

[barkingwater2000]

the current president has been pushing it for several years....

The only person I see pushing a national $15 mw is Bernie Sanders and maybe a few others way out in la la land. Obama has urged congress to raise it to $10.10

 

[fortworth4ou2]

The only person I see pushing a national $15 mw is Bernie Sanders and maybe a few others way out in la la land. Obama has urged congress to raise it to $10.10

Obviously, the caring Union supported Libs in New York. You don't believe their union wages that are tied to the minimum wage standard won't also increase? In theory, a union worker making $35/hr will receive an increase based on the percentage of increase in mw standard.

A ripple effect as has been posted by medic.

Boomer Sooner

 

[barkingwater2000]

Obviously, the caring Union supported Libs in New York. You don't believe their union wages that are tied to the minimum wage standard won't also increase. In theory, a union worker making $35/hr will receive an increase based on the percentage of increase in mv standard.

A ripple effect as has been posted by medic.

Boomer Sooner

fort is it your belief that the mw should never be increased??

 

[fortworth4ou2]

No. But, I don't believe in a near 100% increase either. $1/hr max increase works for me.

I believe it was Zero that suggested dropping these folks from the welfare rolls. I agree. A raise to an unprecedented amount as has just been passed should see a ton of folks drop off the welfare rolls. But, they won't. The Feds will only raise the income limits for eligibility further sustaining dependency, their vote, and even more people will qualify for assistance. It's the way of Socialism.

I'm not against welfare and agree with fitty's post in this regard. But, it's not benevolence that drives such actions. It's more like buying votes with tax dollars. The Left is clearly raising the ante

Unions funded nearly a quarter of a billion dollars towards Liberal causes in the last election. Unions across the board will benefit significantly from this mw increase. So will the Democratic vote.

Open your eyes BW. The SEIU backed and marched with those advocating for this increase.

Boomer Sooner

 

[fortworth4ou2]

BW, the next time you see a protesting worker holding up a sign saying they "can't live off $7.25/hr", ask yourself how they were managing to survive before the increase in mw was announced. That's right, their income was being generously supplemented by the government - in most cases - all along. But, they won't mention that.

Watch for the immediate wage renegotiation efforts by New York unions.

Boomer Sooner

 

[barkingwater2000]

BW, the next time you see a protesting worker holding up a sign saying they "can't live off $7.25/hr", ask yourself how they were managing to survive before the increase in mw was announced. That's right, their income was being generously supplemented by the government - in most cases - all along. But, they won't mention that.

Watch for the immediate wage renegotiation efforts by New York unions.

Boomer Sooner

I agree ... I would advocate for a $9.00 mw eventually. Now, you might be right if they have a large family fort, but as I mentioned before, a single person with no kids can hardly survive off of the current mw and they make just enough to where they don't get any government assistance. They could also barely survive off $9 but at least it would help them a little.

 

[pssooner]

If an employer can't swing another $1 an hour then they must not be much of a business

Who are you to decide what is a good business?

 

[Got Rings?]

THE NEW AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE...GET ON BOARD
For a guy and his girlfriend with two kids all you have to do is follow these proven steps
1. Don't marry her!
2. Always use your mom's address to get your mail.
3. The guy buys a house.
4. The guy rents out house to his girlfriend with his 2 kids.
5. Section 8 will pay $900 a month for a 3 bedroom home.
6. Girlfriend signs up for Obamacare so guy doesn't have to pay for familyinsurance.
7. Girlfriend gets to go to collegefor free being a single mother
8. Girlfriend gets $600 a month for food stamps.
9. Girlfriend gets a free cell phone.
10. Girlfriend get free utilities.
11. Guy moves into home, but continues to use moms address for his mail.
12. Girlfriend claims one kid and guy claims the other kid on their taxforms. Now both get to claim head of household at $1800 credit.
13. Girlfriend gets $1,800 a month disability for being "crazy" or having a "bad back" and never has to work again.
*This plan is perfectly legal* and is being executed now by millions of people.
A *married* couple with a stay at home mom yields $0 dollars.
An *un*married couple with stay at home mom nets $21,600 disability+ $10,800 free housing + $6,000 free obamacare + $6,000 free food + $4,800 free utilities + $6,000 pell grant money to spend + $12,000 a year in college tuition free from pell grant + $8,800 tax benefit for being a single mother = $75,000 a year in benefits !
Any idea why the country is $18 trillion plus in debt and half the population is sitting on their ass letting the other half pay their way???*

 

[Got Rings?]

"SOME IDEAS ARE SO STUPID ONLY 'INTELLECTUALS' BELIEVE
THEM."

George Orwell

When the reward is great, the effort to
succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will
try or want to succeed.


Is this man truly a genius? Checked it out and
it is true...it happened!

An economics professor at a local college
made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but hadrecently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama's
socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, agreat equalizer.

The professor then said, "OK, we willhave an experiment in this class on Obama's plan". All grades willbe averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and noone will receive an A.... (substituting grades for dollars - something closerto home and more readily understood by all).

After the first test, the grades wereaveraged and everyone got aB. The students who studied hard wereupset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolledaround, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who
studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too, so they studied little.

The second test average was aD! No one washappy.

When the 3rd test rolled around, theaverage was anF.

As the tests proceeded, the scores neverincreased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings
and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and theprofessor told them thatsocialismwould also ultimatelyfail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when
government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

It could not be any simpler than that.


Remember,there IS a test coming up.

The 2016 elections.

These are possibly the 5 best sentences you'll ever read and
all applicable to this experiment:

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by
legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

2. What one person receives without working for, another
person must work for without receiving.

3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the
government does not first take from somebody else.

4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have
to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the
other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is
going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any
nation

 

[Got Rings?]

You're quite welcome deed.

Christian charities give millions to the poor, always have, always will.

It's in their wheelhouse.[/QUO
Contrary to what the liberal media will tell you, those mean old Republicans give money to charity at a rate of 10 to 1 versus the Democraps. You never hear about that when you hear how ruthless the Republicans are. I guess if the poor people waiting on the Democraps to take care of them out of their own pocket they would starve to death while telling anybody that would listen how much they care for the poor. They are good at giving them other peoples money though.